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Which of these 2 Bikes?????(10 posts)

Which of these 2 Bikes?????biketalk
Nov 25, 2002 6:33 AM
Ok,

I'm an avid mtn biker who is ggeting back into road riding for some aded miles (km as I'm one of those guys from north of the border). I have my short list down to 2 and wanted to get some thoughts on which bike to go with. They are both 2003 models Specialized Allez Elite 27 (105) - for $2,000 CAN and the Giant TCR2 (105) - for $2,200 CAN (all taxes in for both prices). I'm leaning towards the Giant but thought that maybe the extra $200 CAN might not be worth it. Any thoughts would be helpful.
What's the rest of the specs? nmEager Beagle
Nov 25, 2002 6:46 AM
How's it goin eh? Get the one that fits, with better wheels.Spunout
Nov 25, 2002 6:53 AM
They are essentially the same, aluminum bikes with 105. Look closely at the fit specs, I don't like Giant's 3 sizes fits all mentality. I don't know if the Allez is similar. Biggest quality differences will come with the wheels, and will be noticeable.
Yea-things being equal, go for 1.)better fit 2.)better wheels nmjtferraro
Nov 25, 2002 7:05 AM
Yep. nmSintesi
Nov 25, 2002 7:46 AM
giant tcr2 (just don't care for allez, my opinion) . . . (nm)bm
Nov 25, 2002 8:26 AM
re: Which of these 2 Bikes?????MrRoss
Nov 25, 2002 11:43 AM
The Giant TCR2 is full 105 equipped where as the (03)Allez Elite 27 is 105 only on the deraileurs. The crankset and brakes are not 105 even though their website said it is. The Elite is the lighter bike though and have bladed spoke aero wheels vs TCR2 32 spoke Mavic rims.

The Giant TCR2 has a much better crafted and finished frame set. On the test ride I thought the Elite handled better.

I've went through the same decision point and I chose the Giant TCR2 (02) because my LBS offered it at the same price as the Allez Elite 27 (03), and also I like the look of the giant much better. I actually do not like the 03 105's black finish but prefer last years 105 with the silver finish.
I checked out the Allez EliteKillerQuads
Nov 25, 2002 12:40 PM
I saw the 2003 Allez Elite 27 this weekend. I went in to see if they had the 2003 Allez Pro 18 (not in yet), but the Elite caught my eye.

I liked the brushed aluminum finish. They did a good job on the welds and metal finish, which appeared flawless under the clear coat. It had a modern, Titanium look. The parts were chosen to price with generic black dual pivot brakes (worked well enough), a Specialized brand crank (looked good), and black 105 derailleurs. I wonder how much was saved by not going all 105. I like doubles rather than triples, so make sure that is what you want. Converting one way or the other can be expensive (just swapping the crank is not enough for a full conversion).

I liked the aero wheel set, puncture resistant tires, carbon fork, carbon seat post, compact frame design, and especially the recessed rack eyelets. Having rack eyelets make a bike more versatile for commuting or touring.

I am holding out to try to get a good deal on the Allez Pro 18 (Dura Ace), although the Elite is probably 95% as good at a much better price.
Get a good deal on a 2002 SpecializedKillerQuads
Nov 25, 2002 12:57 PM
I forgot to mention that my local shop has lots of 2002 Allez bikes with heavy discounts. There are 2002 Allez E5 SLX Pros (Ultegra 27) with a retail price of $2,700 US on sale for $1,800. The 2002 Allez A1 SE (105/Ultegra 27) has a retail price of $1,400 so you might get it for $900 (did not price this one).
re: Which of these 2 Bikes?????weiwentg
Nov 25, 2002 6:07 PM
the Giant definitely has a better frame. I tried, but never really cared for, the A1 frame.
otoh, you get a lot more fit options, and probably a better wheelset. Alex rims are pretty unknown in the US, but iirc they have a good rep in the UK.
you're getting more name-brand parts on the Giant. a lot of people don't trust house brand components from companies like Specialized and Cannondale. depending on the part, this is with good reason. for example, the Strongarm cranks Specialized fitted to some of their MTBs were flexy and had horrible shifting. CODA disc brakes don't exactly have a spectacular track record. otoh, CODA's headshok design is well regarded. Giant's front fork is great (I have one of those that weren't affected by the recall issue; some of the earlier CF steerer forks broke and had to be replaced). the Giants have house brand seatposts and stems. the post sometimes creaks. I have no experience with the stems. the Allez has house brand brakes, post, fork, handlebars/stem, pedals, and cranks. the ones I'd really be worried about are the pedals and the brakes. and maybe the cranks (they are octalink cranks, though).
as I said, if it fit me, I'd get the Giant. and by 'if it fits', I mean a stem of reasonable length (100-130), and not too long a post. if not, why not look at Fuji, or possibly Jamis?