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If you carry CO2, also carry a cell phone.(27 posts)

If you carry CO2, also carry a cell phone.longfellow68
Nov 21, 2002 9:36 AM
Learned lesson hard way. The tube I removed was beyond patching and the new tube had a hole in it. (should have checked before). I wasted one CO2 with new tube, then tried to patch it, but it didn't hold, this wasting the second one. Time to call for a ride.

Moral of story: buy frame pump, carry cell phone, or bring ten CO2 cartridges?
re: If you carry CO2, also carry a cell phone.pmf1
Nov 21, 2002 9:43 AM
I always carry 2 new tubes and 3 CO2 cartridges in my pack (among other things). I have another cartridge in the dispenser.

It is not at all uncommon for a new tube to be defective and have a hole.
I carry both a pump and CO2...Brooks
Nov 21, 2002 1:27 PM
mostly because it is easier to use the pump for the start and the CO2 to get max pressure. Also saves on cartridges. Carry spare tube and patch kit, but I don't own no stinkin' cell phone. Also carry ID and a few bucks.
re: If you carry CO2, also carry a cell phone.No_sprint
Nov 21, 2002 9:47 AM
I also carry a presta to schrader adaptor. Tiny, fits in my patch kit. I'm rarely more than a reasonable distance from a gas station. On centuries in rural areas, two tubes and 3 cartridges. Never had a problem.
Lessons learned the hard way are learned best.MB1
Nov 21, 2002 9:50 AM
On our weekend long rides we carry (between the two of us) 1 Zephal HPX pump, 2 CO2 inflaters with 2 cartridges each, 4 tubes, 2 patch kits, 1 spare tire, a cell phone and a whole mess of tubes. I check our repair kits monthly.

Like you we learned this lesson the hard way but we haven't had to use the cell phone yet.
Thats for surepmf1
Nov 21, 2002 10:03 AM
Been carrying a chain breaker in my pack for years. Only takes that one time out in the middle of no where without something you need to forever remind you to bring it along.
I just went through this..DINOSAUR
Nov 21, 2002 9:58 AM
I was cleaning out my seat bag on my main ride three days ago and noted I only had two spare cartridges of c02 and I thought I had three. I slipped another cartridge in my seat bag and low and behold a couple of days later I had a flat and it took all 4 cartridges (my applicator is loaded) to get air into my tire due to operator error.

I always pack three extra co2's, two tubes (sometimes one will be one I repaired), a very small mini torelli frame pump that will get me home.

Park glueless thing ever invented..

I pack a cell phone also...used it once ...

I started carrying a little emergency pack. A new tube, cannister of c02 and a couple of tire irons and put them in a zip lock bag and stash it in my jersey pocket. That's about all I need. Makes changing a flat a lot faster.
re: If you carry CO2, also carry a cell phone.outofthesaddle
Nov 21, 2002 10:44 AM
I usually carry three cartridges and two tubes. I should also carry patch kit but usually don't. I have presta/schrader adaptor taped to the underside of the seat of each bike as a last resort. I have my cell phone most of the time.
just ride with someone that carries all that stuff. nmBruno S
Nov 21, 2002 10:50 AM
....and who likes you enough to stop. ;-bgrzy
Nov 21, 2002 3:41 PM
We had one SOB that lived by this rule - loved to watch him bonk and break down. We'd all pretend to be oblivious and see how deep a hole he'd dig for himself before asking for help. Rather humorous and utterly predicatable and about as entertaining as shooting fish in a barrell. Funny part is that for a guy with a Phd he wasn't too smart.
one incentive not to get droped. nmBruno S
Nov 21, 2002 3:47 PM
Anybody else have problems w/faulty cartridges?gregg
Nov 21, 2002 11:23 AM
I swear, it seems like 1 out of 10 CO2 cartridges I get are faulty/empty. I was wondering if anyone else has this problem?

I buy my cartridges from the sporting goods stores (Sportmart, etc.) since they are way cheaper than buying in a bike shop. I use the 12oz. ones.

we buy ours at Wal-Mart (and a rant re: the F-word)lonefrontranger
Nov 21, 2002 12:23 PM
from the gun shop. Been through 3 or 4 cases without any defects yet. However I agree with the above posters that if you depend on C02, don't just carry one or two; been bitten on the @$$ by the operator error demon a time or two myself.

I carry 2 tubes, 3 cartridges, a patch kit and a cell phone. I have never been able to get a frame or mini-pump to adequate pressure. And I've ripped my fair share of valves right off with a pump.

Which begs the question... what in hexx roads are youall riding on that flats you so often? I get on the average of 1 or 2 flats PER YEAR on my road bike, this includes racing, and I ride in Colorado, where every road is strewn with rocks, sand and broken glass and every piece of vegetation has thorns in it.

My solution is 1) don't ride through crap unless absolutely necessary, and 2) Learn how to brush your tires off when you do.

Probably 75% of the roadies I hear complaining about "why do I get so many flats" are the ones who, when the paceline points out or calls "Glass!", start looking around in a rather dim-witted fashion whilst their bike is squirrelling through the pile of debris in question. Another 20% have never thought to check their rimstrips whilst changing tubes to determine if or when exposed spokes / spoke holes may be their trouble. The remaining 5% are MTB types who think they're being clever by running road clinchers at low pressure on rough roads, when in fact road clinchers were never designed to handle this kind of use and don't have enough sidewall, mass or volume to run lower-than-spec pressures without pinch flatting and/or damaging the rims. And don't even get me started about those who never remember to pump up their tires before a ride, then hit a set of RR trax and BAM - snakebite...

Or are these are merely the cynical ramblings of a former shop rat who's actually had customers (on innumerable occasions) bring in "defective" tires and/or tubes, demanding a refund for a tire or tube that (painfully obviously too, might I add) was damaged via their own incompetence and/or negligence.

agree on frequency of flats and a follow up questionColnagoFE
Nov 21, 2002 1:04 PM
do you brush your tires with a glove after riding through glass or not? i do this all the time and not sure if it really helps or not. what do you think?
Brush off tires with gloves after riding through debris...Brooks
Nov 21, 2002 1:23 PM
particularly at intersections where that triangle of debris gathers in the area just outside the travel lane, but where the cars from the right either go straight or turn and sweep the debris into this area. Know what I mean? Sure you do. Anyway, besides gravel, glass from fender benders always end up here. I think it helps as I have brushed off debris. Front tire: palm flat, fingers extended, perpindicular to tire travel. Rear tire: same hand position but find seat tube first and slowly move hand out (back) from there. Definitely don't want to jam hand into spokes.

I only get 1-2 f***s a year with not great roads. Lots of chip seal roads and debris. I use Axial Pros at 120 pounds and I'm 195 pounds. Just lucky I guess. Better go make a sacrifice to the tire gods, now.

yep, that's just the ticketlonefrontranger
Nov 21, 2002 4:53 PM
I use Axial Pros too, they're pretty tough. Exercising constant vigiliance on avoidance and removal of debris is a way of life out here though. We have a depressingly diverse array of crap on the roads, and since Colorado mandates bike shoulders and single file laws that you are expected to utilize and obey, your path of travel isn't constantly swept by wheel travel like it is on, say, a Midwestern 2-lane road.

Cleaning tires does help. I used to flat more often when I didn't do this. You need to wear gloves tho; my SO has cut his hand on stuff whilst trying to do it barehanded.
A couple of things that helped me...DINOSAUR
Nov 21, 2002 5:23 PM
I hate flats, fronts aren't too much hassle but the rear is a drag, dealing with the chain and all. I always end up getting all greasy (upside of black bar tape). I brush off my tires on a routine basis, usually before every descent. When I started to ride with a mirror I could concentrate on what was ahead of me on the road and avoid running over stuff. I get most my flats in the winter as the rain washes all the glass and debris out onto the shoulder. I ride in the Sierra Nevada foothills and when it rains hard the pine needles cover up the shoulder and about half of the traffic lane. You can't see what you are riding over in some cases.
Also the Yahoos up in my neck of the woods tend to chuck beer and liquor bottles in the winter for some reason. Maybe it's because of more darkness and people can't see them throwing stuff out of cars. I also ride with all clear riding glasses in the fall and winter and I can pick out road debris better. In the summer I wear smoke or gray lenses as you can pick up the glimmer of glass. My flats seem to come all at once on both bikes. I can go three months without a flat then I'll get 2 or 3 in a row. But it's all part of riding, flats build character...
Now I've said "flat" five times in this message Let's see what happens: flat flat flat flat flat flat flat flat flat flat flat flat flat flat flat flat flat flat flat flat flat flat flat flat flat flat flat flat flat flat flat flat flat!
guess I shoulda qualified my 10 cartridge use statement with...gregg
Nov 21, 2002 2:44 PM
...that being usage for both road cycling and mtn biking during...oh...I'd say at least a two year period.

On that note, I'd say that I've flatted on the road about 3 times this year, that I recall. When I first used Hutchinson Carbon Comps, that number went up, but back on GP3000's now.

Nov 21, 2002 8:27 PM
not crabbing on you in particular, just the world at large. The customer attempting to return a "defective" tire/tube was the one thing guaranteed to set me off when I used to work in the shop. This thread merely gave me flashbacks.

I agree about setting the definition between road and MTB, but I figured since this is a roadie forum I'd trot off my pet peeve. I actually used to never flat on the MTB (or 'cross bike) either, then we moved to CO. One word: GOATHEADS! Stupid things are the bane of my existence. Of the last 5 offroad rides I've done, I've flatted three times, one of those being the dreaded dual flat. And I am meticulously careful to stick to well-used trails and out of known goathead stashes. These things are everywhere.

You can blame my foul mood on our project team. I had an absolutely *fabulous* couple of meetings at the orifice . I live in a cube farm and work for a Dilbertesque project manager and his evil boss, so this is merely a sample of the rare form I've been in all day. I could probably give grzy lessons in attitude right now. Didn't get to do my lunch ride, or a ride at all for that matter, so I'm not fit company for man, beast or sysop :P

Almost makes me want to go back to being a shop rat... oh, wait - then I couldn't afford Colnagos, grrr.
Nov 21, 2002 1:22 PM
1) Once you are up to three CO2s a frame pump is lighter.
2) I've never had a frame pump fail.
3) If you see pictures of euro pros training alone, they all have frame pumps. Don't you want to be euro?
4) Would you really want to have your CO2 injector painted to match your frame?
Some CO2 inflators MUST be used in upright position... linkPdxMark
Nov 21, 2002 1:36 PM
Nov 21, 2002 4:14 PM
I dug out the directions that came with my Superflate and it indicates that the inflator must be used in a upright position. This is why I went through 3 cartridges to fill a tire, I was using it upside down. Up the upside of this, if you start packing c02, you will rarely have flats. Everytime I go to use mine I forget how it works....the flat god's don't like co2......
2- 3 flats a year?? How many miles per year??Snyder
Nov 21, 2002 8:20 PM
8600 and countinglonefrontranger
Nov 21, 2002 8:31 PM
Not including offroad
8600 and countingSnyder
Nov 21, 2002 9:28 PM
with only 2-3 flats a year, that is incredible to me. What is your secret? Seriously, I get 1-2 a month. I use conti 2000, fill my tires before every ride. Any suggestions? Road flats.
read my rant higher up in the threadlonefrontranger
Nov 22, 2002 6:17 AM
learn to clean your tires and don't ride through debris, check your rimstrips and replace them if you think exposed spokes and/or spoke holes might be the problem. I've used Velox cotton rimstrip for 10 years, that plastic shite is worthless.

That mileage includes quite a bit of dirt and gravel road riding, too. Many of the local roads in Colorado are dirt. The primary roads are often 4-lane highways with big wide bike shoulders. You can ride 4-5 wide on the shoulder without getting near a car, but the tradeoff is the unending and infinitely varied layer of crap that gets dropped / blown / swept out there. I'm not just talking glass, there are car parts, nails, tools, sharp stones, and all sorts of weirdness. Rumble strips, too.

Conti 2000s are decent durable tires. I use Axial Pros because I don't like how harsh riding Contis are, and I am willing to pay a little extra for the technology. APs are the closest "feel" to the Vittoria CX tubies on my Zipp race wheels (now there's a good tire), and hold up well for gravel abuse.

My SO put well over 3K of miles on a set of Conti 2000s and I now have them on my fixed gear; the tread is only now getting a little thin.
I usually carry about 4 C02's....K-Man
Nov 22, 2002 7:12 AM
Your right hopefully you only make the a mistake once. Get stranded with lack of air and you'll always carry extra.