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Why dont track racers use aero wheels?(18 posts)

Why dont track racers use aero wheels?ekdave
Nov 15, 2002 10:13 AM
Im no "trackie" guy for sure. Never even been to one. But every picture I see of a track racer (check out www.velonews.com today - front page) shows them with basically box-section rims (or close to it) and lots ove spokes.

Why dont I see them with super-aero deep section carbon rims, low spoke counts (front at least!), etc.

Is there some rule? Seems like a trck would be the perfect place for deep section rims, esp. since there is no crosswinds to worry about.

am I missing something?
Are you kidding me?Sherpa23
Nov 15, 2002 10:29 AM
Track racers use all kinds of aero stuff. Extremely aero frames are the norm. Virtually no one does indoor team pursuits anymore without TWO discs. The same goes for flying 200m. Points racers use at two deep section wheels, if not a rear disc. The only time no one uses aero wheels, or at least uses them less, is during 6 days, where some of the tracks are too tight to use low spoke counts (so you use 32 or 36 spoke wheels) and you wouldn't use a disc (there are many reasons not to use a disc) or during the hour record, where the only aero thing you can use is a skinsuit. Other than that you must have a round tube frame, 32 or 36 spoke wheels, and regular handlebars.
I guess Im just not seeing many track photosekdave
Nov 15, 2002 12:06 PM
Photos of track events Ive seen (that some to mind) have been in USA cycling and velonews.

and every time I see box section rims I think...hmm..thats weird.

I guess Im just not paying attention to anything BUT the photos where I see box-section rims.
I guess Im just not seeing many track photosSherpa23
Nov 15, 2002 12:48 PM
It's not really the amount. Like most people, you are only seeing the track photos from events like the hour record or 6 days of Ghent or something. Those are really the only events where cyclists don't always use aero equipment. If you look at pics from World's, which are on a 250m track, you will see that everyone has aero stuff.
e.g.trekkie1
Nov 15, 2002 1:04 PM








ok.....bow what about the threaded 1" stems ? (sorry!)ekdave
Nov 15, 2002 1:15 PM
so whats the story on the threaded 1" (im guessing) stems.? why not go threadless like the roadies?

My guess: more aero.

????
by the waytrekkie1
Nov 15, 2002 1:18 PM
...can you imagine showing up at the local crit with quads like that (check the top photo)?

Given a choice, would you rather be Marty or Lance? Man, those Marty legs would be hard to turn down, for sheer intimidation factor, if nothing else.
No doubtNo_sprint
Nov 15, 2002 1:38 PM
Showing up at the local crit with those babies would be a recipe for the following headline:

"new unattached cat 3 rider laps the field and goes home with the state championship"
They do, especially at the elite levelBipedZed
Nov 15, 2002 10:32 AM
The picture from VeloNews is from a 1-hr record attempt which has controversial UCI rules about the type of equipment that can be used in the attempt. Basically equipment must reflect the same type of equipment available to Merckx when he set the record in the 70s.

I don't race track but know several who do. Aero wheels, particularly trispokes are very popular on the track, especially in the pursuit discipline.

Check out FixedGearFever for some more pics.
here ya go........Dave Hickey
Nov 15, 2002 10:47 AM
O O O a track question let me answer it!PODIUMBOUNDdotCA
Nov 15, 2002 11:22 AM
The reason why the guy in Velonews has no aero wheels is because to set the absolute record now in the 1 hour you have to use a standard bike. This means box section rims, no aero tubing, etc.

I'm not sure where you've seen other pictures but if you go to any track meet you'll see lots of people with aero wheels. Then once you get to the national/international level everyone either has a disc on the back and a deep section on the front or double discs made by either Corima's or Mavic's pretty much. Go to www.uci.ch and look at their world championship coverage and you'll see every person has aerowheels. Since aero wheels give you at least 0.2 seconds in even a 200 m sprint if you didn't have them you wouldn't be nearly as competitive. It kinda makes track the F1 of cycling because a set of Mavic wheels costs $10,000 US a set... then the same teams usually always win (Australia, GB, Germany or France).

Cheers,
Nick
PodiumBound.ca
10 grand for a set of wheels?trekkie1
Nov 15, 2002 11:30 AM
What the heck are those? Never heard of such a thing.
$$Canadian Pesos. (nm)Spunout
Nov 15, 2002 11:38 AM
Shut up... we have a dollar too! But its in US dollars...PODIUMBOUNDdotCA
Nov 15, 2002 2:50 PM
They are the Mavic Io and Comete. Maybe its $10,000 Canadian... but either way they are freaking expensive.

Nick
PodiumBound.ca
O O O a track question let me answer it!Sherpa23
Nov 15, 2002 12:05 PM
$10,000 US? Once you stop falling down and/or place in UCI races, someone will sell you some for much less. In Europe, I was sold a set a 5 spoke Mavics from Mavic for $400/pair, as long as I used them in two upcoming IM's. No one pays $10,000 for wheels unless you still race in category racing at IM's or just do local races.
Once you stop falling down...Psalm 147-10_11
Nov 15, 2002 2:00 PM
Man Sherpa,

That was cold. ;-)
You got them direct from Mavic though...PODIUMBOUNDdotCA
Nov 15, 2002 2:52 PM
Realistically noone would buy them for $10,000... but thats the retail on them. You bought them direct from Mavic so of course you got them cheaper.

I've seen guys crash hard on them though... repair bill isn't pretty.

Nick
PodiumBound.ca
Once you stop falling down...Sherpa23
Nov 16, 2002 3:26 PM
I know, that was bad. Sorry Nick.