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Questions on seatbags, pumps(frame?), and what to carry...(29 posts)

Questions on seatbags, pumps(frame?), and what to carry...jtferraro
Nov 14, 2002 11:17 AM
On the mtb I use a Camelbak MULE that carries my water and gear. I was using the Camelbak on the road, too w/my mtb and slicks, but now I finally have my new road bike. I don't plan on using the Camelbak on the road...unless it's a REALLY hot, humid day, or if I'm riding in remote areas (no convenience stores, etc.), or if I'm on a mission for a non-stop ride/TT. I have since purchased water bottles and cages(stainless steel Elite Ciussi's) and am wondering what else roadies usually carry, besides the obvious, and where they carry these items. Naturally, a spare tube(or 2?), and/or patch kit, multi-tool(tire levers), and a pump. It might also be smart to bring a small, light, first-aid kit and a maybe a tail-light(if there is a chance you might not make it back b4 dusk). Obviously, it would be wise to have some energy bars and gels and/or fruit, and some sport drink, too. Do most of you carry these items in those lil' seatbags or in your pockets? If you have a seatbag do you carry the food in the jersey pockets, but the tools, etc, in the seatbag? What about the pump - do most of you use frame-mount pumps, or just carry a small pump in your jersey pocket?

Those of you w/seatbags, any recommendations?

As for pumps, I don't *think* I'm going to mount it to my frame - probably just carry a mini pump in the jersey pocket. We'll see...

Thanks,

-Jeff
re: I like my MountainSmith seat bag.dzrider
Nov 14, 2002 11:33 AM
I carry 1 tube, glueless patches, a Park multi-tool that has tire levers, a compass and my wallet. I'd forgotten that i carry the compass until I dumped the bag out Monday night! On long rides - over 3 hours - I carry Hammer Gel and a sometimes an extra pack of Ultima energy drink in my pockets.

On brevets I add a Vaude handlebar bag and throw in anything I feel might be handy that day. It's not always the same stuff so, as they say, "inclding but not limited to" another tube, spare tire, spokes, arm warmers, leg warmers, rain jacket, lots of energy/candy bars, more Ultima, toilet paper, spanner for my rear brake, a little bottle of oil.

As a general rule, pack stuff because it will make you feel more secure in your self-sufficiency.
Thanks - what's a "spanner"? (nm)jtferraro
Nov 14, 2002 11:47 AM
Spanner = wrench (nm)Allez Rouge
Nov 14, 2002 1:18 PM
every time i answer this one it's differentJS Haiku Shop
Nov 14, 2002 11:43 AM
because i'm changing and maturing as a rider and goals & objectives, as well as experience, are constantly up in the air.

unsupported rides:

fast, short group rides

very small seatpack: co2, patch kit, inflator
jersey pockets: tube, cellphone, meds, powergel, id
plus: 2 small water bottles

non-hammerfest rides < 40 miles

medium seatpack: co2, patch kit, inflator, tube
jersey pockets: meds, powergel, id
plus: 2 medium water bottles, cellphone strapped to seatpack

40-80 mile rides

medium seatpack: co2, patch kit, inflator, tube
jersey pockets: powergel
camelbak rogue: alien multitool, extra food, meds, id, drink powder, second tube
plus: 2 large water bottles, cellphone strapped to seatpack

100-125 mile rides

large seatpack: co2, patch kit, 2 tubes, inflator, cellphone
jersey pockets: powergel, light vest or jacket if cool or cold
camelbak blowfish: multitool, food, meds, id, drink powder, food, third tube (usually), alternate gloves, spare socks in baggie, spare do-rag in baggie
plus: lights, batteries, and/or other cold-weather or foul-weather gear as needed
and then: profile seatpost-mounted 2-bottle carrier with 2x24 oz bottles

supported rides

under 130 miles

see 40-80 mile unsupported, tho i try not to carry a camelbak and usually try to scale down what i'm bringing along. century-double metric length rides i'm not apt to go astray of other riders. longer rides are another story, evidently.

over 130 miles

the kitchen sink

organized but unsupported rides

on the impending 2003 brevet series, i'm hoping to employ a carradice bag. actually, i've sent word to santa about wallbike.com, and am hoping for a nice bag and support rack to carry enough for the longer brevets. i'd probably carry all that stuff from the longer unsupported rides above, plus a change of clothes and emergency gear.

please note

since i am neurotic and somewhat paranoid, this cumbersome list should surprise none of you. however, more times than not i'm at the brunt of "you're actually carrying all that?" comments at the beginning of the ride, but pulling someone's chestnuts from the fire with my stash by mile 60. the good thing about carrying all this stuff is that when i hit a well-supported "event" century, i can ride with virtually nothing and feel like i've been swinging a weighted bat in practice.

-J
I carry less now than I used toAllez Rouge
Nov 14, 2002 11:56 AM
I have what is probably the second-smallest-size Blackburn wedge bags. No idea on cubic inches of capacity but it makes a tidy fit under the the saddle, without sticking out at the rear or sides any. Contents are a small straight-bladed screwdriver, a spare tube, a set of tire levers, a patch kit, and two CO2 cartridges plus the little valve thingie necessary to puncture the cartridge and air up the tire. No pump. Also a few of those nylon cable ties like you use to secure cyclocomputer wiring. A couple feet of duct tape rolled up around a pencil would be a good addition to this kit but I keep forgetting to put it in.

In the small zippered change pouch on the back of the bag, I carry five or ten dollars (all singles), whatever change happens to accumulate, and an expired drivers' license for identification. And that's it. Never weighed the packed bag but it's probably not much over a pound, if that.

I used to carry a second tube and a multi-tool and a few other odds and ends, but never used any of it so they got tossed the last time I repacked the bag.

What I like about this system is that all my "spares" are always on the bike. When I'm ready to ride, I stick my bottles (up to four) into the cages and shove some snacks into my jersey pockets, and away I go.

Caveats: I have ridden Continental Ultra tires for years even though they are slightly heavy and maybe not as smooth as other brands; but I literally cannot remember when I've had a flat ... AT LEAST five years, and probably more. Second, while I ride mostly on sparsely-populated rural backroads, including portions of the Natchez Trace Parkway, I'm rarely out of sight of at least one house. If I have a serious mechanical out on the road, I figure I'll just bum the use of a phone and call someone to come get me. Thirdly, that's never happened. Whether it's because I take adequate care of my bike, or am just lucky, I cannot say. Point being ... where and how you ride, and how the Fickle Finger of Fate treats you as a general rule, may make your needs a lot different than mine.
what part of the south are you in? nmJS Haiku Shop
Nov 14, 2002 11:59 AM
Florence, AL ... are you nearby? (nm)Allez Rouge
Nov 14, 2002 12:50 PM
Florence, AL ... are you nearby?JS Haiku Shop
Nov 14, 2002 1:04 PM
west tennessee, and have done rides in north georgia, nashville area, birmingham, and chattanooga this year. this summer's harpeth river ride (south of nashville) picked up the trace for a few miles, and also poster 12x23 rode a multi-day trace adventure from north alabama earlier this year. jus' wondering.

-J
Heck, we're practically neighborsAllez Rouge
Nov 14, 2002 1:17 PM
as distances in the online world go. How far west in TN?
Heck, we're practically neighborsJS Haiku Shop
Nov 14, 2002 1:59 PM
all the way west--elvisville.
Ever ride the WC Handy? nm12x23
Nov 14, 2002 3:26 PM
WC Handy? Yep.Allez Rouge
Nov 15, 2002 5:28 AM
The first organized ride I ever did was the Handy, back in '93 I think. Did the metric that year, and the whole enchilada in following years. Then they changed the route and I didn't ride it for about five years until this year, when they returned to the old route on the Trace. The temps were in the high 90s with humidity to match, and there was just enough wind to be annoying. Managed to get through the whole thing, and at a new personal best time, too, but I was pretty well used up by the end of it.
Forgot to ask, 12x23 ...Allez Rouge
Nov 15, 2002 5:51 AM
Whereabouts are y'all?

J mentioned your multi-day ride on the NTP. I've been threatening to ride the whole thing for years. Maybe in '03.
2 bars/tubes,1 p/kit, cell/$/ID all in pockets.Pump on frame nmonespeed
Nov 14, 2002 12:24 PM
Tube, patches, levers, cash, photocopied ID. Thats it. (nm)Spunout
Nov 14, 2002 12:27 PM
Why patches if you have a spare tube? (nm)eyebob
Nov 14, 2002 12:39 PM
Finite number of spare tubes. (nm)onespeed
Nov 14, 2002 12:42 PM
Same here. Plus, if you carry both ...Allez Rouge
Nov 14, 2002 12:48 PM
... you won't need either. It's one of them immutable laws of the Universe, or something like that.
Same here. Plus, if you carry both ...No_sprint
Nov 14, 2002 12:51 PM
No doubt, if one flats 5 miles into a double with one tube, my suggestion is the patches go to work first.
Right. Everything in pockets, pump on frame. (nm)Spunout
Nov 14, 2002 12:49 PM
re: Questions on seatbags, pumps(frame?), and what to carry...No_sprint
Nov 14, 2002 12:48 PM
Let's see, always in the seat bag are: tiny bottle of Brave soldier antiseptic, one alcohol pad, a couple of zipties, patch kit with schraeder adaptor, park small multi tool, tube, two CO2 carts with small inflator, small ID copy. In my pockets are Kool Kovers, cell phone, bar or gel, small ID bag with DL, debit card, cash and housekey. For longer unsupported rides I replace the park tool with an alien, add an addition cartridge, and an extra tube, more food. I also put an XLab seat rail bottle cage on. I don't have a Camelbak.
Responsefracisco
Nov 14, 2002 1:36 PM
I have a full-frame pump - Blackburn - that fits under the top tube with a strap to secure it.

I have a seatbag that contains spare tube (in ziploc with talc), patch kit, ID/money.

In my jersey I carry a CrankBros Speedlever, cell phone, food, and store clothing.

I have two cages, and on rides over 30 miles, I use both of them.
Riding Unsupported and remote - Spare Tire?GeoCyclist
Nov 14, 2002 3:22 PM
If you wanted to carry a spare tire, what type would you carry, and how do you carry it?
Any foldable kevlar beaded tire will workTig
Nov 14, 2002 3:57 PM
When you buy it, just keep it folded like it comes in the box. Take something like a strip of double-sided velcro and wrap around it tightly to keep it compact.

When I do bring one along, I'll use a longer velcro strap to attach it to the underside of my small seat bag, or loosen up the seat bag's strap and fit it under the bag and then tighten it all up. Sometimes I'll just stuff it in the middle pocket of my jersey. I've been saved twice far from home or an LBS after flatting with major sized holes (from a screw and a bolt) in the old tire.
Thanks! Appreciate the info.GeoCyclist
Nov 14, 2002 4:52 PM
Travel lightdeHonc
Nov 14, 2002 5:46 PM
Jeff,

I carry a spare tube (2 if going country) wrapped in a freezer bag -( sweat can deteriorate tube), tire levers, hankerchiefs for wiping hands if have rear flat, mobile phone and Visa card/cash. All in jersey pockets.

2 large water bottles in cages - thats it.

Ride Safe
Travel lightPeteWorc
Nov 14, 2002 6:21 PM
along with other things I always carry a piece of paper and small pencil for taking down names/phone#/email addresses of people I meet on the road. Comes in handy.
What about insurance I.D. card?Mr Good
Nov 14, 2002 9:05 PM
I include my health insurance id card with my riding essentials, and my health info and home phone is taped inside my helmet.

I'm not paranoid, but if something should happen I'd rather be safe than sorry.