|What makes a cyclist a "poser"?||skippy pinfish|
Nov 8, 2002 7:37 AM
|Just wondering, what makes a cyclist a poser? Is it because one rides a 3000-4000 dollar bike if he chooses to. Or should one only ride a bike that is equal to ones ability. Should a cyclist be ashamed if ones rides a top of the line bike and is not a top notch racer?|
|re: What makes a cyclist a "poser"?||Macho Man Savage|
Nov 8, 2002 7:40 AM
|Who cares. It's not even worth discussing. People should ride whatever they want, it's no one else's business.|
|stupid, childish concept - grow the f*** up!||trekkie1|
Nov 8, 2002 8:19 AM
|The whole idea of labelling someone a "poser" is a stupid concept. The idea is to insult someone, elevating yourself above them, by pointing out that they are not worthy of what they ride or wear -- right? Grow up! This is disgusting. Try to be inclusive rather than exclusionary. There is enough "us vs. them" going on without this. Damn this pisses me off.|
|Never too much "us vs. them" in the world....||Silverback|
Nov 8, 2002 8:28 AM
|Hey, it was the whole point of the election.|
|Hey trekkie1, you know what?||Allez Rouge|
Nov 8, 2002 8:33 AM
If you read my own contribution to this thread, you'll see that I said much the same thing in a different way -- that no one should ever have to justify his equipment to anyone, for any reason. But I said all that only after first defining a cycling poseur as a phony ... and like most people I tend to dislike ALL phonies, not just the kind on bikes, and most phonies are both transparent and harmless anyway, so there's nothing new in any of that.
So like I said: you're right. I feel suitably humbled. Seriously.
|I understand; thanks||trekkie1|
Nov 8, 2002 8:49 AM
|If someone were merely defining the term, you are right. However, I think the intent here, as seen before, is not only to define the term, but to encourage its use and application to certain people in a negative way. That's the problem.
Yes, as Silverback noted, there is lots of "us vs. them" going on in the world. We don't need to add to it, though, especially this way.
My view -- encourage any and all (non-dangerous) cycling!
Side note: Stupid, arrogant, or dangerous cycling behavior is still fair game. Someone riding three abreast blocking traffic should be harrassed, but not for what they wear.
|Good thing you're open minded.....||grzy|
Nov 8, 2002 4:15 PM
|Poseur - A person who affects a particular attitude, character, or manner to impress others. |
If you weren't so defensive and superficial you'd see that there's more to the whole concept. It ain't so much what you wear exactly, it's how and why you wear it. It's fair game and not necessarily meant as a put down to identify a poseur for exactly what they are.
|Geez, just don't sugarcoat it, tell us how you feel. ;) NM||MXL02|
Nov 8, 2002 8:36 AM
|re: What makes a cyclist a "poser"?||longfellow68|
Nov 8, 2002 7:45 AM
|A person that dresses in full pro garb, rides the team bike and runs his mouth off how great he is, then gets dropped the first mile. Thats what a poser would be.
I don't care if someone dresses like LA, but just don't run the trap if you can't back it up..
|re: What makes a cyclist a "poser"?||BikeViking|
Nov 8, 2002 10:53 AM
|I agree wholeheartedly...wear WHATEVER you want, but be realistic when speaking of your abilities to others!
It's more fun to downplay your talent and ride well than to brag excessively about your cycling prowess and and proceed to get shelled after your first pull at the front.
|The team socks. (nm)||onespeed|
Nov 8, 2002 7:48 AM
|Walking the walk, and talking the talk ...||Allez Rouge|
Nov 8, 2002 8:00 AM
|... without really knowing why. IOW, a phony. Someone who whips out the plastic and says, "Gimme the best, whatever it costs" while having no appreciation for, or understanding of, what he's buying, riding, wearing.
OTOH, no one should ever feel like he has to justify his equipment or his clothing on the basis of his ability. If that were the case I'd have to sell my D-A stuff and replace it with 105, maybe Sora. It is possible to have a real and deep appreciation for Quality regardless of one's ability. Saying that a rider shouldn't have the best unless he can justify it by his ability would be like saying someone shouldn't own a Van Gogh or Picasso unless he can paint that well himself.
And BTW, while I'm usually loathe to be The Language Police, the correct spelling is "poseur."
|If his bike costs more than mine, he's suspect.||Silverback|
Nov 8, 2002 8:22 AM
|I sort of agree that it's not worth fretting over. As a veteran of 30+ years cycling, though, a lot of it on really cheap bikes when that's all I could afford, I have to admit that when I see a young guy on a Litespeed, dressed like Spiderman and riding three abreast down a country road because he's too cool to make room for cars, I sometimes think, "OK, Lance, we all see you."|
|It's not what you ride, but how you ride.||MXL02|
Nov 8, 2002 8:34 AM
|If you are passionate about the sport, then ride what you want. If you have the $$$, ride a f^&king Colnago Ferrari if it makes you happy. Just RIDE! Mileage means more than material, and riding is its own reward.|
|Mileage means more than material, AND||Ray Sachs|
Nov 8, 2002 10:47 AM
|passion means more than mileage. I know folks that don't ride more than 1,000 miles per year but who love it more (seemingly anyway) than other folks I know who ride closer to 10,000. I ride plenty of miles, but the feeling I get on ANY good ride, even occasionally on my measly little 2 mile commute, is what makes it all worthwhile.
Anybody who's doing it because they love it is OK with me, regardless of equipment or clothes.
|Everyone either is a poseur or a fred or both||ms|
Nov 8, 2002 8:44 AM
|The poseur discussion reminds me of the fred discussions that we have seen on this board. I have come to the conclusion that everyone is a poseur or a fred or both. Even Lance is not immune -- look at his "freddish" high socks.|
|Everyone either is a poseur or a fred or both||castrello|
Nov 11, 2002 9:46 AM
|Yes, and the legs of his shorts are too long. About an inch.|
|Anyone who posts this topic (nm)||hrv|
Nov 8, 2002 8:51 AM
|Poseur, It don't matter to me||AllisonHayes|
Nov 8, 2002 9:08 AM
|It don't matter to me |
If you really feel that
You need that Litespeed to be free
Time to go out searching for yourself
Hoping to find time to go to find
And it don't matter to me
If you dress up like someone
Who's better than you
Cause your happiness is all I want
For you to find peace your piece of mind
Lotta people have an ego hangup
Cause they want to be the only one
How many came before it really doesn't matter
Just as long as you're the last
Everybody's moving on and try to find out
What's been missing in the past
And it don't matter to me
If your searching brings you what you want
Cause there'll always be
A fellow cyclist waiting for you
Another heart beating with you
All cyclists are family
Poseurs don't matter to me
They don't matter to me
...adapted from It don't matter to me, by Bread
|If you listen to Bread, you're a poseur **||Niwot|
Nov 8, 2002 10:08 PM
|I think im gonna hurl||benja15|
Nov 9, 2002 5:01 PM
|Definition is independant of equipment.....||joekm|
Nov 8, 2002 9:12 AM
|A poser is someone who presents themselves as someone they are not. In practice, it's not something I concern myself with since ultimately, it will become obvious who has an over-inflated view of themselves. |
Ride what you want and wear what you want. As long as your riding speaks for itself, noone is justified in calling you a poser.
|re: If you have to ask..............(nm)||I_See_Fred_People|
Nov 8, 2002 11:41 AM
Nov 8, 2002 3:35 PM
|I don't see what's so horrible about admitting that the sport has poseurs, and that they are easily identified.
It's someone who's participating in cycling just to glom onto the image. They're more concerned with how they appear to others, rather than the actual experience they get out of it.
|re: What makes a cyclist a "poser"?||desmo|
Nov 8, 2002 6:05 PM
|You are a poser arnt you-hehe||benja15|
Nov 9, 2002 4:54 PM