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merlin agilis and litespeed sienna(6 posts)

merlin agilis and litespeed siennaJohnIV
Nov 7, 2002 7:24 AM
Since Litespeed acquired Merlin, are both bikes made out of the same tubing? Anyone ride/riding either of these two bikes? How about the Merlin XLcompact or Ghisallo? Just curious on the difference between the above bikes. Thanks.
re: merlin agilis and litespeed siennapmf1
Nov 7, 2002 7:43 AM
Litespeed claims Merlin, while housed in the same location in TN, is made on a completely different production line. If you believe this, then they are not the same bikes. I do not know if they are made from the same tubing.

The Ghissallo has a reputation of being a complete noodle. I've never ridden one though. I'd guess that to ride a sub-2 pound ti frame, you better be a sub-150 pound human.
Different tubesetsNessism
Nov 7, 2002 8:42 AM
The Sienna uses ovalized/shaped tubing whereas the Merlin tubing is mostly round. I also think the Sienna uses a larger downtube, 1.5" vs. 1.375", so it should be slightly stiffer.

The Merlin XL uses machine butted tubes, the center section of the tube is cut down on a lathe, whereas I don't believe the Ghisallo does - the tubes are just plain thin.

As far as production goes, the geometry is different between the two brands so different fixturing is required. It is perfectly believable to think that there are seprate assembly lines. But other that the single (LS) vs. double pass (Merlin) welding operation, I would think that the quality of the two frames is similar.

Ed
re: merlin agilisTrekFurthur
Nov 7, 2002 11:08 AM
As stated above, the tubing and geometry are different. The geometry is the reason I chose the Agilis--it rides very comfortably (not as glassy-smooth as my 5900, but with a little more resilience), is plenty stiff for climbing and sprinting, won't corrode, and, at 18 pounds with Ultegra and OP/DA wheels, is plenty light. I heartily recommend it, unless, of course, you can get around the 5900.
re: merlin agilisTrekFurthur
Nov 7, 2002 11:09 AM
As stated above, the tubing and geometry are different. The geometry is the reason I chose the Agilis (matches my race bike, 5900). The Agilis rides very comfortably (not as glassy-smooth as my 5900, but with a little more resilience), is plenty stiff for climbing and sprinting, won't corrode, and, at 18 pounds with Ultegra and OP/DA wheels, is plenty light. I heartily recommend it, unless, of course, you can get around the 5900.
I'm really interested in how that dbl-posted (?)TrekFurthur
Nov 8, 2002 5:47 AM