's Forum Archives - General

Archive Home >> General(1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 )

somewhat naive question(14 posts)

somewhat naive questionScottland
Nov 6, 2002 6:18 AM
More or less daily I am reading or Today there is a roster for team Saturn. Chris Horner and this young guy are coming to the team. Now they will have pretty strong squad(as Paul Sherwen will say).
So I was just wandering:
What does it take for a team like Saturn to go and compete with the big guns in Europe and eventually in TDF (or Giro, Vuelta)? I mean they have Dominguez, Klasna, McCromack and now this two strong riders. Why they can't compete with the big boys?
Low UCI points held by the team...Spunout
Nov 6, 2002 6:22 AM
A grand tour is a world apart from the NA racing scene. Although, Saturn Women's team did well but they spent alot of time in Europe.

Invitations to the Tours will not happen unless you have riders placing in the spring classics, mini-tours, to increase the UCI rank of the team.
Domestic squadTrekFurthur
Nov 6, 2002 6:37 AM
They don't compete in many UCI events, so of course the points are low; the reason they don't compete in that many events is they focus on the domestic (US) National Racing Calendar. To "go and compete against the big guns in Europe", they'd need to do exactly that. Anybody remember Mercury; that's what it did. Unfortunately, it couldn't keep the money straight and now it's back on this side of the pond. I keep wobbling back and forth in my thinking that Saturn is going to try to make the jump to UCI division 1, but then I watch and think that maybe it's happy trying to stay atop the NRC.

BTW, Horner went to the World Champs and ran with the big dogs. Check the results and see how he did.
Nov 6, 2002 6:50 AM
also ran with the big dogs a few years ago with FdJ for a season or two and I don't think accomplished anything of note while in Europe. I think being one of the better riders domestically doesn't mean much compared to the racing over there. It's a whole level above our domestic scene, like going from the minor leagues to the majors.
Nov 6, 2002 8:15 AM
Horner finished way off the podium in the World's TT, and while 30th or whatever is respectable, it is nowhere near the top 3 (which is where he thought he was going to finish). i have known a couple of guys who have gone to Europe to race for a time, and all 3 of them have come back saying the same's a different league.

If you want to race in Europe, you have to race in Europemr_spin
Nov 6, 2002 7:07 AM
Most of the US racing scene consists of short races and criteriums. Races typically last one to three hours and rarely approach or exceed 100 miles. Races like the SF Grand Prix and the US Pro in Philadelphia are the exception, and that's why these races attract European teams.

In Europe, short races and crits are rare. Long races are the rule, and typically they last 4-5 hours or more, even at the junior and amateur level. Endurance is key. If you want to be successful in Europe, you have to go over and pay your dues.
WHY the differences in US and European racing?Allez Rouge
Nov 6, 2002 9:46 AM
I am not a truly hardcore bike racing fan, but I've had a more-than-casual interest in it for about ten years now (and it's growing deeper all the time).

My question is, why do these differences between US racing and European racing exist? Is it tradition? Is it the shorter attention span of US fans? Is it because the US citizens and authorities won't accept the road closures and other logistical problems associated with long stage races? Something else?
EVERYBODY loves racing in Europe. NA: Pansies in Lycra NMSpunout
Nov 6, 2002 1:04 PM
sad but true, huh? (nm)jtferraro
Nov 7, 2002 11:05 AM
marketing interestsMRS
Nov 6, 2002 8:32 AM
I don't think I have ever seen a Saturn car here in Europe. Saturn is not putting a lot of money into that team just because of their love of cycling - they want to get something out of it. Now why spend a lot of money to have the team race in Europe when you don't have any advantages by making your brand name known?
USPS, same question. (nm)53T
Nov 6, 2002 9:00 AM
USPS wants a piece of the UPS/FedEx pieAllez Rouge
Nov 6, 2002 9:39 AM
The package delivery biz is BIG and will only get bigger as more people become comfortable with shopping online ... and a further consequence of that will be a lessened connection between the country in which people live and the physical location of the vendors where they shop. I think USPS' sponsorship of a cycling team has very little to do with promoting itself in the US. They want their piece of the pie for the international delivery market; they want more people in Europe who now automatically call UPS or FedEx to start calling USPS.
Ditto! nmAnaerobic_Nut
Nov 6, 2002 11:17 AM
Ah, interesting. Point taken. (nm)jtferraro
Nov 7, 2002 11:08 AM