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How big of a difference does good clinchers make?(9 posts)

How big of a difference does good clinchers make?niteschaos
Oct 31, 2002 8:11 AM
I rode a race on a freinds tubular set (Vittora's) on Reflex rims. It was a world of difference compared to my Conti Sport 1000s on Mavic CXP21 rims. I was thinking about getting a race only wheelset made for tubulars (I wieght 190, so I could get some use out of the higher avialable pressures for TT). But then again, I've never riden high quality clincher wheels with good rubber on them.

Can someone tell of the experiences between nice race clinchers and nice race tubulars (Like Conti Supersonics vs Conti Sprinters)?
re: I noticed relatively little difference.dzrider
Oct 31, 2002 8:36 AM
This may be because my clincher wheels are newer, lighter and have better hubs than my tubular wheels had. It felt smoother and easier leaning over on winding descents and on stretches of hard packed dirt which may have been an advantage of heavier wheels. Suffices to say I cut the spokes out of my old tubies and made msyelf a set of touring wheels. You could make huge improvements over the wheels and tires you're using without incurring the expense and complications of tubulars.
re: I noticed relatively little difference.weiwentg
Oct 31, 2002 9:08 AM
he's probably right. put light tubes and race tires on, and the difference will be considerable. however, don't use the Supersonics unless the roads are very good, or you're very light. there is absolutely zero puncture resistance. the Axial Pro, Pro Race or GP3000 are much better general purpose racing tires. and that's just Michelin's and Conti's offerings; there are lots of other manufacturers.
re: How big of a difference does good clinchers make?Me Dot Org
Oct 31, 2002 10:15 AM
For supple clinchers, I think it's hard to beat Vittoria Corsa CX. The downside is they are fairly susceptible to flatting, too much so for me to think of them as an everyday ride.

I'd agree that for better life (at the sacrifice of a little ride comfort) Michelin Pro Race or Conti GP 3000s. I have a slight preference for Pro Race.
only fools would use Supersonics as everyday tread, duh.niteschaos
Oct 31, 2002 12:18 PM
So if I go to some GP3000s and light rims that the combo would be indestinguishable from light rims and Tubulars of same mass?
or for racing for that matterColnagoFE
Oct 31, 2002 2:03 PM
at 200lbs I would be leery of such a lightweight tread for anything other than a swept course over smooth roads or maybe on a track.
They make quite a bit of difference IMOColnagoFE
Oct 31, 2002 2:00 PM
If all you are gonna do is ride flats there isn't that much difference, but throw in some high speed twisty descents and good clinchers show their stuff. They stick a lot better in the corners. I personally like Conti GPs or GP3000s, but the folding 2000s are not that bad for the $ either though not near as sticky in the corners.
re: How big of a difference does good clinchers make?JohnIV
Oct 31, 2002 2:33 PM
Tubulars kick ass. My race wheelset is Continental Sprinters wrapped around Zipp 404's. My training wheels have Axial Pros on them. No comparison, especially if the rain comes. Tubulars stick. You'll corner harder just to see if they'll grab. And they grab. You won't be disappointed if you go with tubulars.
Thanks manniteschaos
Nov 1, 2002 11:00 AM
At my mass, that was the answer I was looking for.