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Campy boys and girls, look at this!(41 posts)

Campy boys and girls, look at this!hayaku
Oct 31, 2002 7:15 AM
http://bike.shimano.com/whatsnew/ShimanoAtTheTour.asp

You may not like what you read though...
Sorry.
M.
re: Campy boys and girls, look at this!bikeridah
Oct 31, 2002 7:24 AM
Anyone know what proportion of the TDF riders use Shimano versus Campy?
re: Campy boys and girls, look at this!rcarbs
Oct 31, 2002 7:28 AM
Has nothing to do with performance of the group, only the money from sponsors. Campy Record.....lighter and 20 speeds!
re: Campy boys and girls, look at this!divve
Oct 31, 2002 7:47 AM
...personally I don't see much advantage to more than 9 gears in the rear...however rumor has it that DA 04 is going to be 12-speed. Also, DA Octalink cranks are much stiffer than square taper Campy. In addition, DA 04 is likely to adapt the 03 XTR through axle style, which will make it even stiffer...perhaps even stiffer than Cannondale Hollowgrams?

BTW, money has nothing to do with it. The best racers can ride anything they like. They just happen to prefer Shimano...may occasionally I stir the pot as well:)
Pros don't prefer Shimano,Spunout
Oct 31, 2002 9:19 AM
Shimano pays/supplies the team with parts to use them.

If no team was paid for parts, and had a parts pool available at equal cost, who do you think would be better represented?
you think pros choose what they ride???MrCrud
Oct 31, 2002 9:22 AM
They have a say in it, but not the last word. Money has the last word, in other words, the sponsor with the best offer.

Besides, most pros dont really care for the bikes they ride. Doesnt Lance always say he rides a stock bike???

I think we agree that Shimano's Octalink is stiffer, but if we were to review every single part in a group, i think Campy would come out a winner. Not by an immense margin, but on top still...

Mr.Crud
someone has:aeon
Oct 31, 2002 7:12 PM
http://www.totalbike.com/articles/Campy-Shimano.html

Note his conclusion - Campy

Also see:
http://www.spectrum-cycles.com/64.htm

Tom puts Dura Ace slightly ahead.
I'll ride Shimano if they pay me to!DaveG
Oct 31, 2002 11:21 AM
I prefer Campy, but I'd switch in a heartbeat if Shimano is gonna pay me to ride thir stuff. Scoring Shimano vs Campy vs whatever on TdF wins is a pointless exercise. The best rider wins regardless. Does anyone here really believe that a component group can get you a Tour win?
i asked God long ago ... (this argument has been settled)Spirito
Oct 31, 2002 11:57 AM
Phil Liggett "Attention cycling fanatics!" 4/29/02 5:03pm

(read the following threads)

listen to what the man says - he knows better than us

ciao
How's the saying go?.....bigdeal
Oct 31, 2002 7:40 AM
The Sun has to shine on every dog's ass every once in a while.

Have you looked at how many tours Campy riders have won versus Shimano? EXACTLY.
Yeah, 4 out of 89 isn't bad - 4.4% of Tour wins on Shi!mano (nm)TJeanloz
Oct 31, 2002 8:02 AM
How many on Huret or Simplex? Surelyscottfree
Oct 31, 2002 10:47 AM
Campy didn't win the other 85? And was Suntour ever ridden in the Tour?
umm.....actually....Alexx
Oct 31, 2002 11:45 AM
The first 40-or-so tours didn't allow derailleurs. They were not allowed until the early 60's, I believe.
Does Shimano only make derailleurs?TJeanloz
Oct 31, 2002 12:10 PM
Even if there were no shifters and derailleurs, there were components on those bikes, and they weren't Shimano.
Which begs the question: when did Shimano...RhodyRider
Oct 31, 2002 1:11 PM
...begin producing & distributing their bicycle components?
Honest question. (I have no idea about this and am too lazy to do a web search right now!)
1921; but no Dura-Ace until 1972 (nm)TJeanloz
Oct 31, 2002 1:35 PM
why is this offensive to record owners? (nm)ColnagoFE
Oct 31, 2002 8:26 AM
OH, SH!Tmickey-mac
Oct 31, 2002 8:43 AM
Does this mean I'll never win the Tour on my Campy groupset? I've got to get some of that Shimano stuff. Anybody interested in a Chorus gruppo with about 13,000 miles on it?
I wondered what it would takeMcAndrus
Oct 31, 2002 9:25 AM
to start another flame war of Campy vs Shimano. It's been a long time.
all it took wasthatsmybush
Oct 31, 2002 10:36 AM
daylight savings time, cooler weather. gets people nasty.
I know, I know buthayaku
Oct 31, 2002 6:07 PM
what else is there to do? My only wish is that people will think about this discussion the next time they get on their bike and remember how affectionate they are about their groupo. Maybe that'll enhance their pleasure and dedication to riding. The post was a kind of public service...

I'm glad not too many people took it seriously.
M.
...and your point is....? [nm]Leroy
Oct 31, 2002 9:34 AM
I'm still waiting for Suntour to come back myself ;) (nm)joekm
Oct 31, 2002 9:41 AM
I'll hold out for CAMBIO RINO in anodized red and green! (nm)Spunout
Oct 31, 2002 9:50 AM
jeez i have RINO parts...aeon
Oct 31, 2002 7:22 PM
...Want em? Seriously, though, my bike came built up with 80's Rino, and the only parts left are seatpost (wierd size) and hubs (which aren't great)

Oh, and the F. Der, which I'll just leave until it rusts away =)
Sunset for Suntourczardonic
Oct 31, 2002 10:18 AM
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hadland/page35.htm
Just the Superbe Pro track group would suit me. -nmTig
Oct 31, 2002 7:44 PM
nyah, nyay, thhhhhppppbbbbbttt!Ouch
Oct 31, 2002 10:00 AM
Sorry.

No need to apologize. I'm quite happy with my Campy stuff. It's quality and functionality speak for themselves.

Thanks for the well intentioned post though ;-)
Good for shimano.tremblay
Oct 31, 2002 10:19 AM
They make a great product, and I would have bought a shimano equipped bike if I didn't get one with Campy instead.

Who cares which manufacturer is winning at these days? I don't think the gruppo is making the athletes win. I think the strong teams just happen to be sponsored by Shimano.
I did Shimano but wish I would have stuck with CampyripSRV
Oct 31, 2002 10:33 AM
I'm satisified with DA on 2 bikes, but I gotta admit when my friend just ordered a new custom steel frame with brand spankin new 10 speed Chorus . . . I was a little envious.

Campy's cooler but Shimano works fine. Come to think of it my 21 year old long reach campy calipers on the touring bike are still perfect.

h-m-m-m-m-m-m
what if they had a choice?trekkie1
Oct 31, 2002 10:44 AM
I'd bet that if they truly had a choice (with no marketing or sponsorship issues), and had to buy their own equipment, not a single pro rider would choose Shimano, except maybe for time trial bikes. While Shimano is "good enough," Record is clearly superior in nearly every aspect. IMHO
R U advocating Ricky Martin & Ellen Di Generes to use ShimanoSpirito
Oct 31, 2002 11:48 AM
campy ???? what's campy?

C A M P A G N O L O

apart from owning a pair of bobby julich's telekom bib knicker's (sorry boys - they are unworn) the only campy riding i have ever done is singing repetative songs just to pass some boring miles ........

THE LUMBERJACK SONG

BARBER:
I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay.
I sleep all night and I work all day.

MOUNTIES:
He's a lumberjack, and he's okay.
He sleeps all night and he works all day.

BARBER:
I cut down trees. I eat my lunch.
I go to the lavatory.
On Wednesdays I go shoppin'
And have buttered scones for tea.

MOUNTIES:
He cuts down trees. He eats his lunch.
He goes to the lavatory.
On Wednesdays he goes shoppin'
And has buttered scones for tea.

He's a lumberjack, and he's okay.
He sleeps all night and he works all day.

BARBER:
I cut down trees. I skip and jump.
I like to press wild flowers.
I put on women's clothing
And hang around in bars.

MOUNTIES:
He cuts down trees. He skips and jumps.
He likes to press wild flowers.
He puts on women's clothing
And hangs around in bars?!

He's a lumberjack, and he's okay.
He sleeps all night and he works all day.

BARBER:
I cut down trees. I wear high heels,
Suspendies, and a bra.
I wish I'd been a girlie,
Just like my dear Papa.

MOUNTIES:
He cuts down trees. He wears high heels,
Suspendies, and a bra?!

[talking]
What's this? Wants to be a girlie?! Oh, My!
And I thought you were so rugged! Poofter!

[singing]
He's a lumberjack, and he's okay.
He sleeps all night and he works all day.

He's a lumberjack, and he's okaaaaay.
He sleeps all night and he works all day.

even though i have always epoused that when in rome do as the greeks, and my nom de plume has been shortened from spirito di finocchio; the thought of a cavity search (even on an invitational basis) just ain't my cup of tea, old china. if that means forgoing the use of shimano as hayaku suggest then so be it !!!

nothing campy about this old boy ... well .... not unless it impresses the chicks :-)

ciao
..now that is suitably obscure and bizarre. BRAVO!! NMSpunout
Oct 31, 2002 11:54 AM
more from the mastersSpirito
Oct 31, 2002 3:17 PM
THE MARTYRDOM OF ST. VICTOR

"And it came to pass that Saint Victor was taken from this place to another place. Where he was lain upon pillows of silk, and made to rest himself amongst sheets of muslin and velvet.

And there stroked was he by maidens of the Orient. For sixteen days and nights stroked they him, yea verily and caressed him. His hair, ruffled they. And their fingers rubbeth they in oil of olives, and runneth them across all parts of his body for as much as to soothe him. And the soles of his feet licked they. And the upper parts of his thigh did they anoint with the balm of forbidden trees. And with the teeth of their mouths, nibbleth they the pointed bits at the top of his ears. Yea verily, and did their tongues thereof make themselves acquainted with his most secret places.

For fifteen days and nights did Victor withstand these maidens, but on the sixteenth day he cried out, saying, "This... is fantastic! Oh... this is terrific!"

And the Lord did here the cry of Victor. And verily came He down and slew the maidens. And caused their cottonwool buds to blow away, and their Kleenex to be laid waste utterly.

And Victor, in his anguish, cried out that the Lord was a rotten bastard. And the Lord sent an angel to comfort Victor for the weekend. And entered they together the jaccuzzi."

Monty Python from their album: Contractual Obligation (1980)

ciao
Spirito, for a man of your intellect I would suggest...Spunout
Nov 1, 2002 5:01 AM
"The Confederacy of Dunces" by Toole. Pulitzer Prize winner, and suitably offensive.

BTW, In Canada, MP's "Flying Circus" was a regular event in our one channel universe that was Northwestern Ontario. This is a few years ago, mind you.
Dude, do you have ANY sense of pride?Spoiler
Oct 31, 2002 12:53 PM
Every time you post some inane "neener neener neener" tease aimed at Campy users, you come out looking like a complete knob. Each and every time. It isn't going to change. If you ever decide to try to post something other than a Shimano Rules post, people will say, "Oh jeez, not this moron again!"
Quit while you're behind. I have a feeling even Shimano wishes you'd quit. You're giving them a bad name.
Dude, do you have ANY sense of humor?hayaku
Oct 31, 2002 5:58 PM
It seems that you're the only one on this board that really took offence to my post... or even took it seriously. My point wasn't to promote Shimano by degrading Campy, just to draw people's attention to the fact that they had great results in this year's tour. Campy campers often draw attention to the amount of tour wins the groupo has taken.

What's wrong with a little stiring from the other side?

Either get some aggression therapy or don't post replies before thoroughly evaluating your state of mind and the true intent of the original post.
M.
Is it not the guy ir girl on the bike?Iwannapodiumgirl
Oct 31, 2002 2:31 PM
It is only us that worry about Campagnolo verse ShimaNO.

I still believe if you give Armstrong, Pantani or Cipo a 1973 cruiser, and us on our !@#$ off expesnive bikes, they will whip our arses!

How about we all just get on our bikes, ride, and forget this pointless debate?
re: Campy boys and girls, look at this!mackgoo
Oct 31, 2002 11:08 PM
I could care less what other people ride or think. I personally wouldn't be caught dead on a Shimano bike. I probably would ride with them though.
I'd date a girl who rode shimano, even one of these....Spunout
Nov 1, 2002 5:07 AM
Come on! Lance could win the tour on a Schwinn with coaster brakesKristin
Nov 1, 2002 6:47 AM
Am I right or am I right?