|Giant TCR Composite Team w/Campy Centaur or Shimano Ultegra?||andy437|
Oct 28, 2002 10:23 PM
Im a young rider who really likes Giant and despise those who comment on the fact its Asian. Im planning in 2004 to buy a new bike, most likely being the TCR Composite ONCE frame set with the TCR1 stem, bar etc but use Campy Centaur instead of Shimano Ultegra and also Campy Protons instead of the stock (in NZ/Australia) Shimano R-540 wheelset. And also im planning to have Campy Centaur pedals instead of Record and hopefully get 2 pairs of pedals for the price of 1 Record (they are VERY expensive in NZ) for my old bike or my sis's bike which I'll train on (Giant Peleton 8400 1999).
My old bike just happens to be a 2001 TCR2 and is completely stock and I love the ride. I would just like to hear if this is a good setup (the composite frame etc).
I would also be hoping to keep the frame for future upgrades to Record for when I get older.
Thanks a lot
|Centaur /Daytona seems to be solid stuff . . .||Look381i|
Oct 29, 2002 3:00 AM
|I have ridden Record and Chorus for quite a few years (going back to 1972 w/ Nuovo Record). Last spring I friend bought a new Cannondale built up with Daytona. He likes it a lot, it has worked well, and I don't think I could distinguish it functionally from my own set up. Of course the differences are weight and probably long-term durability.
I've heard good things about the Protons. Good value. I ride Eurus now (after a couple of very good years on Ksyriums).
Ultegra is also good stuff these days. I'd rate the two groups as pretty equal (my son recently had a bike with Ultegra that I rode a bit), but I prefer Campy.
|re: Giant TCR Composite Team w/Campy Centaur or Shimano Ultegra?||fbg111|
Oct 29, 2002 5:05 AM
|Nice frame. I own an '02 TCR2 and have test ridden the Composite 0 with Dura Ace. What I don't understand about what you wrote is that there is no Shimano on the TCR Composite Team - it's all Campy Record stuff.|
Oct 29, 2002 7:06 AM
|If you do Campy Centaur the best upgrade would be to substitute a Chorus crankset and bottom bracket for the Centaur crankset and BB. The rest of the group will not disappoint. This change will cost about $65 and save some weight. Plus, the Chorus crankset is probably the most beautiful cranksets in the business and will greatly enhance the overall look of your machine.|
Oct 29, 2002 7:21 AM
|As ususal, it should come down to which group gives you the feel you like shifting and braking. I ride a chorus setup and have had record 8 speed prior to that, but find shimano to be excellent, too, just different. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, somehow test both groups and let the decision rest with preference as both groups perform very well, and after a short time it will be second nature with either group. Just enjoy.|
|The Centaur looks about the same and is lighter than Chorus . .||Look381i|
Oct 29, 2002 7:57 AM
|The finish may not be quite as nice, but the function will be the same. The Chorus crankset weighs in at 667; the Centaur, at 646 (published). The Record looks better than either and has a crank as part of the spider. IIRC the Q-factor of the Chorus BB is less.|
|Yes, but the BB is 60-70g heavier, yielding 40-50g savings (nm)||TJeanloz|
Oct 29, 2002 8:08 AM
|And the BBs are not interchangeable.|
|Right. I got distracted before finishing my thought . . .||Look381i|
Oct 29, 2002 8:19 AM
|but Chorus BB is quite a bit lighter . . .||Look381i|
Oct 29, 2002 8:16 AM
|so net result is a little under 2 oz. of weight savings with Chorus v. Centaur (Crankset+ BB). .|
|re: Giant TCR Composite Team w/Campy Centaur or Shimano Ultegra?||aliensporebomb|
Oct 29, 2002 1:49 PM
|I love my TCR2, but I'd love to try the composite version.
Problem: if I wanted it, I'd need to sell everything I own
to convince the wife that a $4000 bike is what I need. Yow.
Keep us posted with a full report when you get it.
|Why not do what I did?||5ive|
Oct 29, 2002 6:16 PM
|I've seen you on this board expressing great interest on TCR Carbon. Unless you are in love with yout TCR2, or hate the components on it, why not just buy the frameset and transfer the parts? That's what I did. And your wife might react better to ~$1,400 price tag.|
|Why not do what I did?||ASiegel993|
Oct 29, 2002 7:14 PM
|Is that the cost of the TCR composite? 1400? seems weird to me because the price of the TCR 1 composite and Trek 5200 are about the same (approx 2400-2500), and they are specced rather similarly (ultegra, comparable wheelset etc.) and my LBS had the OCLV 120 frame on sale for like 600 at the end of the year... maybe that's just the closeout price, but the price difference seems too great for frames when the bikes are so similar...
Oh, and what do you think of the TCR composite if you own/have ridden it?
Oct 29, 2002 8:18 PM
|First things first guys, I live in NZ.
The current range in NZ is the TCR alloys 1 & 2 plus some of the OCR range plus both Composite 1 and ONCE bikes. I plan to just buy the frame and put on the centaur stuff and the stem etc equivelent to the TCR 1 alloy frame stock bike. www.giant-bicycles.com/au
Second, Im 14yrs and definately dont have a wife to convince!
Third, its more economical to buy a complete bike than upgrade components at a later date.
Another thing is Im not concerned about puny wieght savings, just a good quality bike (that might help give me the edge over my friend-arche rival with TCR alloy team frame(2002) w/ultegra. In NZ$ the TCR Composite 1 costs around $5500 (around your US$2200 mark) The price has not increased from last years price of the alloy frame w/same components. Plus I have to add this: the composite frame in NZ$ is worth $3500, thats a lot of bike for $5500 plus Treks are more expensive in NZ.
Thanks a lot and will be telling everyone all about it when I do get it (2004 I will remeind you!!)
|Why not do what I did?||5ive|
Oct 30, 2002 11:44 AM
|I think $600 for OCLV120 is a great price. But like you said, perhaps it was closeout price. I think new OCLV110 will normaly cost you around $1600. In this regard, I think $1400-1500 range for TCR composite is comparable to that of TREK.
Here's what I think about my TCR Composite:
joker sl "TCR Composite review" 10/15/02 8:18pm