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Just bought a Litespeed Ultimate!?(13 posts)

Just bought a Litespeed Ultimate!?RCole
Oct 25, 2002 8:35 PM
Hey everyone. I just won an E-bay bid for a new 2002 Ultimate for $1800. It comes with the full lifetime warranty. I owned a Vortex and know that a 57 fits me well. I am assuming that the 57 Ultimate will fit the same. Anyone out there have any experience with the bike? I'm hoping that it will satisfy my "all-arounder" needs. It has the carbon seat stays which I hear add some comfort to prior models. Thanks for the feedback!
re: Just bought a Litespeed Ultimate!?jtolleson
Oct 25, 2002 8:41 PM
I am always hesitant to answer questions AFTER purchase. As an "all arounder" bike I'd think that your multifaceted Vortex would do better than the stiff, agressive crit-like Ultimate.

Was this price just frame only or frame and fork or what? The Ultimate is a fine and beautiful ride and hope you will enjoy, though I didn't do a great service to your original question.
Jtolleson et al - does my logic make sense?RCole
Oct 25, 2002 8:51 PM
Jtolleson, it was frame only, although I only have the need for a frame. The fork on my Merlin is a 40mm rake which is what is spec'd on the Ultimate.

AS for the frame, I'm going to build it up, ride it for a while and see if this is "it". If not, it's back to the drawing board. I fiigure that I got a good enough deal that I won't lose to much $. I'll tell you this though - I've got to stay away from E-bay! That place is a trap.

Let me ask you this about my logic in the purchase and you tell me if I spent to much time in Jamaica last year. I thought that if my Vortex fit so well, then the Ultimate should as well. And I liked the quick handling nature of my Merlin compact. So I figured that the Ultimate might be a good blend of the two?
Jtolleson et al - does my logic make sense?RCole
Oct 25, 2002 8:52 PM
By the way - did you ever get your toe overlap issue worked out?
Both issues...jtolleson
Oct 25, 2002 9:26 PM
as to the LS... your logic may make perfect sense in that the geometry should compare and you'll have a nice bike. As far as it being an "all arounder" that'll depend on what you mean by that. The Ultimate is much more a racer/crit bike and not a century bike, though you see it enjoyed in all applications. Better for YOU to report back to us! :)

As for my toe overlap; slowly but surely. We calculated a potential plan today for reworking geometry, and the frame is being broken down to return to Seven. I can amuse myself for the fall on my retro bike, and with some hope we'll have a proposal for a new frame. It was most definitely a bit of a fight...

Current ideas: 170 mm cranks (not a frame geometry issue but good for a modest 1/4 cm and certainly reasonable for my height); .5 degree more agressive STA (good for about 1 cm in bringing bottom bracket away from front end); 1 cm more tt (a given, since I can tolerate more reach than given); a more relaxed HTA (and corresponding fork) which should thus leave trail the same while gathering another couple cm, ish.

I'm probably missing something but we're on the way (I think).
Wow....Len J
Oct 26, 2002 1:13 PM
sounds like an awful lot of changes. You will end up with a completely different bike geometry than what they originally specified. Any idea how the first one was so far off?

You'll have to let us know haw different it feels & handles after you get it &{ ride it a while.

Oct 26, 2002 1:48 PM
Wow, JT, I'm late to your toe saga, but I just read your other posts and don't think anyone who is 5' 7" should be having these kinds of toe overlap issues. I wish you luck--I think it's nice of you to give Seven a second chance. I wouldn't have.
Salsa Pococritmass
Oct 26, 2002 2:37 PM
Depending on the handlebar you're using now the Poco can give you up to 2cm less reach. That may make the lengthening of the tt more suitable to your reach.
re: Just bought a Litespeed Ultimate!?cincy1
Oct 27, 2002 4:09 AM
I've ridden an Ultimate for the past two years. I'm a fairly heavy rider and I like the stiffness in the frame. No bottom bracket flex yet the bike soaks up road vibration extremely well. The first few months I had the bike I was concerned about its quirky handling. This bike has very aggressive handling and like a fighter jet, you are always on the edge of losing control. That's the price you pay for high G turns and quick reactions. It has a very short wheel base to facilitate this type of handling. I love the bike but will soon add a more stable, longer wheelbase steed to the stable for centuries and tours. Keep this bike for the days you feel like Tom Cruise in Top Gun.
Quick handling...RCole
Oct 27, 2002 6:01 AM
Could you calm the quick handling nature of the bike a bit by putting on a fork with more rake? The Ultimate is spec'd with a 40mm rake. How do you think it would feel if I put on a 43?
then it will be even quicker handling.elviento
Oct 27, 2002 11:12 AM
then it will be even quicker handling.RCole
Oct 27, 2002 4:40 PM
I thought that adding more rake calmed the bike down, not the opposite. Is this really true?
Litespeed Ultimate!doggintx
Oct 28, 2002 9:36 AM
I have a 2002 Ultimate (with the new carbon rear stay). Wow, what a bike. I have about 3,000 miles on it and yearn to ride it every day. It has never dissapointed me. My previous bike was a 5500 Trek. I heard all the comments that the Ultimate was a "stiff crit bike" -- well, it is FAST and responsive, but I've also done three centuries and use it every weekend on 65-70 mile club rides. Not one complaint!

Mine is a 57 cm as well. Fits me like a glove. I was way too cramped on the 55 cm. (5'11"; 175 pounds).

Build it up and get out there and enjoy!!