the new wheel bug has bitten...currently riding mavic reflex/veloce hubs (came on the bike).From the research i've done it seems these are fairly light,(BTW, what do spokes weigh?)but they're definitely not aero or high-zoot.i could drop some weight by upgrading to chorus hubs,but i'd like to try something with a little deeper-v,maybe low spoke count. i admit that this is somewhat driven by appearance,buti'd like to drop weight,improve performance if possible.i'd like to not spend more than ~$350. i'm 5'11, 180 ,frame is trek oclv if it matters. thanks for any suggestions
Record Hubs with CXP 33 rims
MXL02 Oct 22, 2002 9:53 AM
Probably can be gotten for your $350 at Excel...give them a call.
re: Wheel lust...need help!
tao Oct 22, 2002 10:16 AM
Also check out the Velocity Deep-V's; more profile, cheaper, super strong, and only 30 grams heavier.
I've bought from this place and they're only 42.80 http://www.ultimateridingsports.com/html_pages/rims2.html#5
CXP33, OP etc.
mass_biker Oct 22, 2002 10:31 AM
Try any combination of:
Chorus hubs + Sapim X ray spokes ($$$), DT Revos ($$) or regular DT or other doublebutted spokes ($) and one of the following rims
CXP33 - light enough, plenty aero, darn strong
Velocity Aerohead - lighter than above and still aero
Open Pro - plenty light and strong, not as aero
The new AmClassic rim (CR350) is intriguing, but I wonder if it will be strong enough? Certainly light and the semiaero profile is appealing. Time will tell, I guess.
Don't get suckered into the low spoke count thing. Heavier rims (often) end up being used to make up for fewer spokes, which if you lose a spoke, can be quite problematic in making your way home. And if you're price conscious, you might appreciate ease/cost of replacement using off the shelf parts down the road.
As for appearances - black CXP33s with black bladed spoks on Chorus hubs with black Axial Pros? Pretty in my mind's eye....
Wheels are a great upgrade. Use the existing wheels as the backup (or winter) set. But get wheels you will end up riding (i.e. which are not lying in the shop or in the service bay of Rolf/Mavic/ZIPP etc. etc.).
Of course, this is all predicated by having a good wheelbuilder lace these puppies up for you. One other poster suggested Excel Sports - not a bad place to start.
Forgive, or don't, my ignorance, but who makes the CXP33? nm
BrianNYC Oct 22, 2002 11:24 AM
No_sprint Oct 22, 2002 11:27 AM
CXP33, OP etc.
NPA Oct 22, 2002 12:06 PM
I'm liking the CXP33 myself.colorado cyclist can build on chorus for $285, record $312, plus upgrade for bladed spokes. do you think record is worth the extra $?weight savings is only about 9g. either way would be a fine wheel for me,i think. should look very cool,too - the bike is yellow w/black bars and saddle. add those wheels and it will be like a school bus (only slower:) i'm going to check the other links here for pricing as well. Any thoughts on spoke count, lacing?
mass_biker Oct 22, 2002 12:19 PM
Save the extra dough between Chorus vs. Record and go with Chorus - Chorus is plenty nice. Apply the difference towards bladed or DB spokes, if after talking to the wheelbuilder, they determine that weightwise/ridewise/roadwise you are within limits.
Saving weight at the hubs is not a good use of $ in my opinion. I would rather spend the coin on a spoke upgrade (if warranted, see above) or better rubber.
Wheel weight at the edge (rim, tires, etc. - but don't go with paper thin tires) makes the biggest difference as that is where you feel it when you try to accelerate.
As for spoke count, you can't go wrong with classic 32 hole, and as for lacing, the jury is split. One of my wheelsets (CXP33) is laced radially up front and regularly in the rear (both drive and nondrive sides in back are crossed), while another of my wheelsets (Open Pros) is regularly laced (crossed) front and rear.
I did read somewhere that all things being equal, a 36 hole hub/rim combo can be built into a competitively light wheel (i.e. lighter than a 32 hole hub/rim) as a good wheelbuilder can go with lighter spokes and still preserve wheel strength (as the # of spokes have increased).
Bike.com had a pretty good technical summary a while back of pros/cons/gms/$ for wheel builds. The conclusion was that yes - the Zipps were a killer combination of weight, strength, and aerodynamics, but that the CXP33/Chris King/Revo spoke combo was not far behind (weight/strength/aerodynamics) but for a fraction of the cost.
grzy Oct 22, 2002 10:44 AM
Take two Ksyriums and call me in the morning, perhaps your health plan will cover this expensive perscription?
look271 Oct 22, 2002 5:17 PM
Best all-around wheels available, IMHO. This guy is almost exactly my size and my K's have been indestructable. Get 'em from Mike @ totalcycling.com and he'll be one happy camper.
Check out some catalogs
McAndrus Oct 22, 2002 10:56 AM
You may have a local lbs option but you can certainly check the catalogs of Colorado Cyclist or Excel Sports. Both of them offer custom built wheels in the $300+/- range. A classic design would be Record or Dura Ace hubs with Open Pro rims. That'd give you a very durable and relatively light weight wheel set.
How about www.totalcycling.com...
NJRoad Oct 22, 2002 12:23 PM
They're as reliable as any online outfit I've bought from.
Two Campy-built wheels are there in your price range.
Campagnolo Proton Wheelset US $302
The published weights are great, reduced spoke count without being crazy and you get sexy Campy-logo wheel bags to carry them in.
Published weight is good, not bad for an aero rim, kind of crazy spoke pattern (see the Eurus at the top of the same page), no wheel bag.
Just remember you're buying on the gray market so don't expect the best service if something goes wrong.
steve-z Oct 22, 2002 1:39 PM
Please explain. Did you have a bad experience buying overseas? Are you refering to something specific?
All the Mavic advice
Leroy Oct 22, 2002 1:08 PM
is excellent. Open Pro, or the aero mavic rims, or even velocity aero rims built up with Chorus or Record hubs will do fine. I have had very good results with Branford Bike and with Excel Sports. Good luck!
Thanks,everyone. That's a lot of good info
NPA Oct 22, 2002 1:39 PM
to think about.I've looked at totalcycling and they make the ksyrium elites almost fit my budget. i've got to educate myself on spokes,patterns etc. and then i'll probably get the cxp's or velocitys built up. also need to check for a local builder here in San Antonio. Will update when i pull the trigger,but it will probably be around Xmas. Thanks again to everyone.
One other option: Joe Young Wheels in Fredricksburg
Tig Oct 22, 2002 2:16 PM
Joe Young is among the most respected and experienced wheel builders in the US, and can build you something that will be designed to your specific calculations: weight, height, degree of fitness, sex, riding style, type of frame, and desired outcome. The resulting wheel will be reliable and won't break the bank at $35 per wheel plus parts. Look through his website to get a better idea of what he can do for you.
Joe's great but...
MXL02 Oct 23, 2002 6:11 AM
a little on the pricey side. I figured I paid an extra 15-20% to have Joe Young wheels. At some of the big cycle shops they can build wheels cheaper because many people order gruppos without the hubs, so they can offer the wheels at a significant discount. They only issue is you may have to settle for 32/32 spoke wheels...not truly custom built.
Satisfaction of true wheel lust.
No_sprint Oct 22, 2002 2:10 PM
True inner spirit wheel lust can only be satisfied by Lew or the new Reynolds (Lew) or the absolute kings, a set of Hyperons. All else is really just settling in some respect. I've somewhat settled on 4 sets, though overall am pretty happy. I need a race set and backup set for both Shimmy and Campy. I still lust daily for Hyperons. One day.....
Bruno Oct 22, 2002 2:29 PM
light, aero, highiest-zoot and carbon to go with your OCLV.
You guys are killing me :)
NPA Oct 23, 2002 6:50 AM
It will take me until Xmas to check out all these options (which is a good thing) Thanks a lot for the joe young link,i had no idea that a great wheelbuilder was so close by. Sorry,grzy, but the insurance co. says wheel lust is a pre-existing condition; fortunately my fred-ism is treatable. The more i think about it the more i like the idea of having something built,having something a little different. But then again, by xmas i may break down and get the K's. Thanks again everyone.
MXL02 Oct 23, 2002 7:32 AM
if you are like the rest of us, by next Christmas you may have 4 or 5 different wheelsets. It is a terminal disease, pretty much untreatable.
MXL02 Oct 23, 2002 7:40 AM
I have five wheelsets: American Classic 450, Ksyrium SSC, Joe Young built CXP33 with Torelli Hubs, Wrench Science built OPs with record hubs, and some old trash wheels that I use on the trainer and in the rain. My favorite all round set so far are the OPs with the record hubs...Those hubs are just so smooth and quiet, and the wheels are a joy to ride. The Joe Young wheels are by far the toughest for the weight. The SSC's and the 450's are super light and the fastest...still not sure which of these two I prefer for going fast, but I am using the 450's thus far.
So...as you can see, one wheelset probably will not cure your wheel lust. Just temporarily keep it at bay til the 93s come out.