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Motorist Encounter, What Next?(35 posts)

Motorist Encounter, What Next?Roadrunner25
Oct 21, 2002 11:49 AM
I was riding my usual route on Friday afternoon and was coming up to a left turn. I slowed and stuck out my left arm. A Mercedes was on my left at a stop sign. The dude pulls out in front of me just as I start my turn and I go down on my left side as I try to evade him. I got my left leg clipped out and used it and my left hand to break my fall. No injuries, just minor shoe and glove scuffing.

And as I lay on the ground trying to clip out my right leg, the jerk blasts past me revving his engine. As I get up I shoot him the bird and continue on. As I start riding, I hear a car roaring up behing me. He swerves over to pin me behind a parked car and rolls his window down. He is yelling at me for giving the finger to his daughter. She's about a six monther in a car seat in the back.

I tell him I was wrong to do that, but his daughter could not have seen it anyways (car was driving away when I did it.)

He rambles on about how I was in his way, blah blah blah.

Then he says the next time he sees me and his daughter's not with him, he's going to "take care of me".

So I set my bike down and go to the back of his car and get his tag number. The clown realizes what I am doing and speeds off.

Anyway, I did some checking and I got his house address and his name.

Should I report him to the cops, or perhaps do a quick vandalism to his house, change my route and ignore him, or what else?
Steal his mileage computer. It pissed me off. (nm)onespeed
Oct 21, 2002 12:00 PM
get a lawyer and report that suckerclimbo
Oct 21, 2002 12:00 PM
fill out a police report. I was knocked down last week too and they drove off. I couldn't get a plate number but I wish I could have. They deserve to be punished for breaking the law.
Agree...BrianNYC
Oct 21, 2002 12:16 PM
It is always better to seek revenge through the governent...both for reasons legal and also monetary- why should you have to pay for it, that's what your taxes are for and the guy committed a crime. Also, why apologize for flipping him the bird, even if his daughter did see it? He is the one driving like a maniac with her in the car so it is not as if he seems to really care that much about her best interests.
and Agree as wellK-Man
Oct 22, 2002 9:11 AM
Screw him, as long as he had the SS and you did not he is 100% in the wrong. The best way for revenge in this day and age is directly in someone's pocket. Even if you don't feel like getting a lawyer, file a polic report and have the police get his auto insurance information. File a report directly thru them for the "OBVIOUS" pain you are having from his actions of running the SS into your path. Even if you really don't collect anything he will be sh1tting his pants thinking that he will be paying you either directly or indirectly when they increase his rates. This should give you some satisfaction.

KMan
re: Motorist Encounter, What Next?Sawyer
Oct 21, 2002 12:05 PM
It's probably wise to report it to the police to have it blottered in case you need proof of this incident. Other than that, just move on. No point lingering over this one. When you're out there, alot of things can happen and this is one of the lighter ones. Safe riding!
Or you could let it go, considering you got the last word...fbg111
Oct 21, 2002 12:07 PM
He's probably a bit worried now, since he sped off after you got his license. You could let him stew.

Or if you're sure you have no liability, then call the cops.
Go tot the police.SnowBlind
Oct 21, 2002 12:13 PM
reving the engine and then pinning you is assualt, possibly unlawful detention.
use the cops to make a point to this guy that he cannot just asault people for "getting in his way" (Which you wer'nt he just see it that way)
BTW, you did'nt run a stop sign did you?
I was curious about the stop sign as wellkenyee
Oct 21, 2002 12:28 PM
If one side has a stop sign at an intersection, the other going the opposite way usually does as well (the perpendicular path usually has the right of way w/o stop signs).

I'd agree about the assault though (and it doesn't even matter what kind of car he was driving). There should have been no reason to do that, especially after he made you fall. I'd vote for reporting him as well.
Swerving to "pin" can equate to vehicular assaultsn69
Oct 21, 2002 12:16 PM
It's your choice, friend, and you might not find the police too accomodating, but I think it best to file a report. The guy might have had a bad day and lost it temporarily,...or he might kill somebody eventually. Whatever the case, it's best to start the documentation trail.

Tragically, what you cannot affect is the likelihood that he will teach his daughter to hate and rage as well.

I'm glad you're OK.
Scott
re: Motorist Encounter, What Next?tremblay
Oct 21, 2002 12:27 PM
Were you at a stop sign, or were you turning off a street onto the street where the Mercedes was at a stop sign? If this is the case, then the Mercedes driver is 100% at fault here, considering right of way and not entering an intersection when a vehicle is occupying it.

From what I gather, the Mercedes driver is a supreme jerkoff. Any person who gets mad because and says you fingered their six month old daughter, who, at that age, has yet to comprehend what is happening, is obviously going on the offensive because he is, in the end, a total jerkoff. He knows you were fingering him, and he knows he screwed up. The problem is, he doesn't care, because he did it on purpose, and he wants to get back at you because, ultimately, he rules, and you don't. Or that's what he thinks. The fact that he threatened to "take care of you" is only more reinforcement of the fact that this guy is a supreme dickhead.

Speaking of incidents with drivers...I was doing one of the popular cycling routes along the ocean here in town when I came to a sharp left turn in the road. To my left is a road, with its exit just after the apex of the corner. Any person exiting that road has to wait for traffic (read: me) before they enter the street. So, this guy in a Dodge Dart is on this side road, getting ready to turn left onto the street I am on. He is on my left side. I am going pretty fast, probably almost as fast as regular traffic on that road. Well, this guy sees me, hesitates, then decides after he hesitates that he's going for it. Let's put it this way: If I were a car, he would NEVER dream of pulling out. I would have just nailed him and he would have been in the hospital. So, he cuts me off, I am forced to apply the brakes, and I give him the finger (I just wasn't creative enough for anything else). What does he do? He makes a rude face and fingers me back.

So what have we learned here? Well, most of all, I've realised that the dickheads who do things because they don't care about anyone else are going to react to our complaints with antagonism primarily because they don't believe they can do wrong. Funny thing is that these people have more accidents, insurance claims, and traffic violations that everyone else...
RetributionJohnIV
Oct 21, 2002 12:40 PM
If you want to get him back in a way that would be written off the same way the police will if you report him, go to an auto parts store and buy a valve stem remover. It will be like $1 or so. Then go to his house, and remove all of the valve stems from his tires. It's quite funny to see all 4 tires flat, and the mechanic laugh at him when he thinks his tires have been slashed. There's no real harm done. he's just been inconvenienced, and made a fool of. Plus, you feel better cause you got your revenge.
um, how about....not.girchygirchy
Oct 21, 2002 1:34 PM
Bad idea. Would feel good, but what if he got caught? Then there'd be hell to pay.
Report him and his license plate # to the police.JL
Oct 21, 2002 12:45 PM
Nothing may come of it, but it's on the police record as an incident and will be on this guys record. Write up your side of the story and get it to the officer to whom you give the incident report. Be very clear about locations, etc.

I had an incident last year and charged a person with harassment. Unfortunately, it never made it to court. The responding officer had me do the above, but warned me about the possibility that nothing would happen. He was correct that I could be "victimized" again by the court system, but maybe the township/county your incident took place in is better.

Long story, short, I would file a report. As another post stated though, don't let it get to you and definitely don't use the name/address information you acquired for retaliation. File the report and move on.

Happy riding.

John
Just report him to the policeRickC5
Oct 21, 2002 12:45 PM
and get a documented report. Anything else you do will inflame the situation, with possible negative repercussions for you. This is the best way to get even, without commiting a crime yourself.
I agree with others, file police report (nm).Uprwstsdr
Oct 21, 2002 12:52 PM
quick Vandalism? How did you get their info... illegally?jose_Tex_mex
Oct 21, 2002 12:57 PM
So you were able to get their home address from their plate number and are now contemplating violence. First bit of advice is to grow up.

If what happened was that bad then why hesitate going to the cops - the driver is a nuisance and should be off of the road.

If it wasn't that bad then it's water under the bridge - learn to let things go.

You said he was at the intersection before you, doesn't this give him the right of way?

Something is missing from your story...
Lots of things to do...No_sprint
Oct 21, 2002 1:53 PM
There are lots of little goodies you can do if you choose. I don't recommend them, however, they include the valve stem gig. You can also put a big bunch of sugar in his gas tank. You can stuff something like a possum in his exhaust pipe, nice and tight. You can get some hydrochloric acid and show your affection for him with words or other on his hood, roof, trunk, doors, etc. You can continue your written praise of him on his garage door too. :)
Lots of things to do...tremblay
Oct 21, 2002 2:40 PM
Hydrochloric acid on the paint? Why bother when brake fluid works just as well, and is easier to acquire?
Lemme clear up a few things...Roadrunner25
Oct 21, 2002 2:25 PM
It wasn't a 4-way stop, I was on the main road.

I got his address from a girl who works at the DMV, I owe her a dinner next week.

He parks his car in a garage. What I was thinking about doing is rearranging his halloween decorations, and other non-damaging stuff.

The local cops here are worthless, so a report is probably a waste of time, if they would even write one.
Lemme clear up a few things...desmo
Oct 21, 2002 2:37 PM
I'd say with Halloween approaching a little minor vandalism is in order. I would not let the punishment outweigh the crime. Seeing "how he likes his eggs" would be good.
You can either go to the cops, sue him, or forget about it. Ifbill
Oct 21, 2002 3:03 PM
you engage in some "harmless fun," you'll not only screw over the woman who gave you the info, you risk getting caught and prosecuted under stalking laws as well as any number of vandalism charges, civil charges, etc.
What do we know about this situation so far? We know that you're in the right and that he's a jerk. Your strategy, however, would even it up on both counts.
Option 4: Passive aggressive venting on RBR...jose_Tex_mex
Oct 22, 2002 9:13 AM
... as often as I like to say - file a report or get over it, I suppose venting on-line is a great non-violent form of expression.
Go file the police reportkenyee
Oct 22, 2002 7:25 AM
You weren't in the wrong if you didn't blow a stop sign and you didn't have to apologize to the jerk. They're legally required to let you fill one out, especially if it was assault w/ a deadly weapon (the car and his threat). If you have any cops that ride bikes on duty, ask one of them to give the guy a friendly visit and chat; that would be worth as much as a police report.

As others have said, be careful about what others have suggested. A lot of places have severe stalking laws now (I have a friend who's father was hauled in because he happened to take morning walks and some lady got paranoid). If you egg a car, it ruins the paint job, so it might qualify as a felony instead of misdemeanor because of the amount of damage. If they find out how you got the info, that girl will get into serious trouble (lose her job and be charged w/ a crime) too.
agreeColnagoFE
Oct 22, 2002 8:32 AM
why not at least try through legal means...though i would just give them the lic # and not the address of the dude as they might think you had some inside help to get the address.
Report it to the authorities..coonass
Oct 21, 2002 4:14 PM
If he's such an idiot that thinks you gave the 6 month old daughter the finger, then he may just be the type of moron that WILL try to cause you to have a wreck the next time he sees you....worse still, he may mistaken another biker for you and cause him/her to wreck...if there is a prior report on record, his excuse of an 'accident' may not hold water if such a situation does occur...he did make the threat; now if he goes through with his 'intentional accident', his @ss will be facing a PREMEDITATED charge of vehicular assault !!!!! Why let this moron off ??????
I would have acknowledged his IQ with my middle-digit for just buzzing me...
:))
To be honestWalter
Oct 21, 2002 4:33 PM
I'd have invited him to step out of the car right then. Not the right move but I have, admittedly, a very bad temper when it comes to jerks in cars when I'm on 2 wheels.

You should report it, I'm pretty sure the police at least would have to file it and making the guy sweat ain't that bad.
File a police report!!!Mike P
Oct 21, 2002 4:54 PM
It sounds like he is making a threat with the "take care of me" part. If he chooses to do so in his car, I believe it is considered assault with a deadly weapon. If he hits anyone riding a bike some time in the future, the previous threat could become important, if it is on record.

Forget his address, forget doing anything to him. File the Police Report. If the threat he made to you made you fear for your life, file charges against him.

Mike
re: Motorist Encounter, What Next?wasabekid
Oct 21, 2002 6:05 PM
If you feel up to it you can play "chicken" with this guy by driving and stopping in front of his house and making sure that he see you (I'm not sure whether you have left him an imposing presence to remember you) and psycologically imprint on his knucklehead that you know where he lives.

Do this only after you have made the police report of course! ;-)
hmmweiwentg
Oct 21, 2002 6:58 PM
this seems like the least damaging alternative that includes some form of vengeance. personally, I'd report him to the police. IF they do nothing about, then I'd contemplate some VERY MINOR mischief. maybe just take out one valve.
A novel idea...Breakfast
Oct 21, 2002 8:39 PM
Since you've got his name and address start a trial subscription to Bicycling in his name. Then wait until Christmas and send him a nice card from "The A**hole you almost ran over last October". Wish him and his family the best for the season and leave it at that.

Maybe the guy will see a bike in the magazine he wants and starts riding...that's a good thing. Or, maybe he keeps getting billed by Bicycling and that's his punishment.
MAGnificent...biknben
Oct 22, 2002 4:34 AM
I was thinking the words "Bike Lane" with an arrow up his driveway would be hilarious. Your idea of the subscription is innocent enough and will be annoying at the same time. I like it.
or better yet, post his address here and let us all send.....K-Man
Oct 22, 2002 9:15 AM
him multiple subscriptions to several magazines.....
Lest see that could be about 10-15 people sending 2-3 subscriptions/bills...total of close to 45.
Now that would be worth it!

KMan
Whats funny is YOUR behavior (the digit) was offensive...jmr986
Oct 22, 2002 5:33 AM
to him and a 6 month old. But driving recklessly with a 6 month old in the car was not an issue. He also put his daughter at risk because you never know how the other guy will react. The Italian in me would want to drag him through the drivers window and kick his a@@ in front of his kid. But then you'd get in trouble. A number of years ago I had a similar situation when I was on a motorcycle. The guy tried knocking me of my cycle with his big buick. Caught the guy at a light and tried ripping his door off. His wife and kids were in the car they looked petrified. Must have been the full coverage black helmet with tinted shield. I think he learned his lesson. Felt bad that the kids had to see that but better they learn what could happen then trying to knock someone off their bike then thinking they could get away with it.

File the police report to protect yourself and others and let it go.
re: Motorist Encounter, What Next?xxl
Oct 22, 2002 12:28 PM
I recommend letting the situation go; you'll live longer, and is it really worth it, wasting time on someone when you could be riding.

Having said that, coupled with the knowledge that his car is garaged (i,.e., out of sight), I could certainly see where retribution is deserved, and oh-so-tempting. There are even books out there to help you think up revenge, if your creative juices aren't particularly flowing that day. Using a general herbicide (e.g., Round-Up) to write large obscenity-laced messages on his lawn is classic, and low-risk (you could pull this one off quite stealthily in the wee hours). It also lasts for quite some time, even with reseeding, since the new grass never quite matches the old.

My personal, all-time fav was a fellow I knew who glued one of those big, heavily-veined dildoes to the roof of someone's car. Guy leaves for work in the dark, so he doesn't notice it as he goes through his day, right? And when he does, then what? Go get a razor blade, and pray to God no one sees you doing the Bobbitt thing? And think about explaining this one to the boys at the body shop...