Oct 13, 2002 7:29 AM
|Hi to everybody!
Today Italy's champion Mario Cipollini won the 2002 Road World Championships!!!
Really a wonderful race by the Italian team capitalized by Cipollini!
|re: WE WON!!!!!!||Akirasho|
Oct 13, 2002 7:40 AM
|Congratulations to Super Mario... and one of his fans, Matteo!
Remain In Light.
Be the bike.
|re: WE WON!!!!!!||Bill B|
Oct 13, 2002 7:57 AM
|I just finished reading the lap by lap, blow by blow coverage at www.cyclingnews.com I can't wait for Halloween when OLN shows it on tv, next year live?|
|Never had a doubt||BAi9302010|
Oct 13, 2002 8:51 AM
|When it comes to a sprint and Mario isn't obstructed everyone else is competing for second. He's definately the greatest and most consistent rider today (& possibly ever) and he proved it with his win today in the biggest, most competitive sprint to ever take place.|
|BTW: zabel vs. mcewen||BAi9302010|
Oct 13, 2002 8:57 AM
|I just read an article that said that while, mcewen and zabel were competing for second, mcewen started getting dirty and tried to muscle zabel out of position by ramming his elbows and shouldeers into him. I've always hated that guy anyways and I just think that he's a poor sportsman with the way he acts in competion and talks shit out of competition (he even threatened to break Lance Armstrong's face for offering USPS help to Zabel in the Tour.) and I'm glad that Cipo showed him who's the real boss.|
|BTW: zabel vs. mcewen||Qubeley|
Oct 13, 2002 9:12 AM
|I kind of like Robbie, If you see the interviews of him in WCP videos, he really seems like a likable person. Maybe that's just appearance. I definitely think he is better in interview than Armstrong.
Speaking of sportsmanship, Cipo really isn't someone I would pick as an example. I remember him bumping someone in the sprint too, and dragging teammates' jersey on the climbs. But that does not stop me from like the guy anyway. Hey, I like VDB too! Yes he's a dopie and he's got mental problems. But when he's on bike, he has the best pedalling style, so smooth and fluid.
Congrat to Cipo! the man's got EVERYTHING this year, life is just not fair for his competitors.
|BTW: zabel vs. mcewen||divve|
Oct 13, 2002 9:57 AM
|I don't think that was Zabel||weiwentg|
Oct 13, 2002 10:42 AM
|I think he is directly behind (and obscured by) Cipo in this shot.|
|..yes, Zabel is obscured...||Spunout|
Oct 13, 2002 11:38 AM
|Zabel complained that McEwen pushed him off of Cipo's wheel. Well, Zabel's still on the wheel and obviously couldn't come around Cipo (at 65km/h, who could?).
I really think a pure sprinter isn't much of a cyclist. Cipo doesn't impress me, just put a few mountains in the middle of the race.
|..yes, Zabel is obscured...||divve|
Oct 13, 2002 11:51 AM
|He's speaking on Zabel's behalf:)|
|Pure sprinter? Yes. Impressive cyclist? Absolutely!||Tig|
Oct 13, 2002 2:32 PM
|I'm not the biggest Cipo fan, but I respect his incredible abilities. Maybe he can't climb compared to many of the other pro's, but he can arguably out-climb all of us and most cat 1's out there.
Let's go back to his win in this year's Milano-San Remo. It isn't a true climber's race, but the ascents up the Cipressa and Poggio are known for their difficulty. Mario managed to stay close to the leaders and still won the sprint. Sure, his team helped make the difference, but HE is the only one who could have beaten the impressive field after 287 km of racing.
Oct 14, 2002 9:56 AM
|Didn't he bridge the gap to the break on his own . . . could have been a different race, but I though M-San Remo was it.|
|Cipo not much of a cyclist?||weiwentg|
Oct 13, 2002 3:52 PM
|> I really think a pure sprinter isn't much of a cyclist. Cipo doesn't impress me, just put a few mountains in the middle of the race.
while I admire climbers far more than sprinters, I will have to respectfully disagree here. sprinting in cycling involves far more athletic ability than track sprinting (the type they do on foot). not to put down what track athletes do, but they do not need to run a marathon, keep in position, and THEN sprint. 'our' sprinters do, and then the maniacs who design the courses put hills or mountains in the way.
Cipo not completing the Tour and Vuelta no doubt lessens your regard for him, as it does for me. but he did do the whole Giro, he did win MSR and Gent-Wevelgem (sp??). he's not completely one-dimensional as a cyclist goes. although I do have much more respect for Erik Zabel.
|If Mario isn't much of a cyclist, I don't know who is...||OffTheBack|
Oct 13, 2002 5:25 PM
|Even if he only does one thing well (which I'm not quite ready to concede), surely you must admit, he does that one thing better than anyone else on earth. 35 years old, and how many races did he win this year? 2 major classics, 6 Giro stages, AND the World's?|
Oct 13, 2002 6:09 PM
|...aaahhaaa!! There are no cyclists anymore!
Heras can go uphill a little better than the big boys, Armstrong can time trial some and attack on the last climb of a race (only 3 days in July, though), Savoldelli goes downhill in the Dolomites better than some, Museeuw can beat an aging German and a 16 year old Postie (who left his friend in the ditch) to Roubaix...
Where are the good ol' days of balloon tires, 65 pound single speeds, 480 mile-a-day races, all uphill, both ways, through the snow, into the wind...Those were the true cyclists!! Braaaaah, True cyclists, I say!!
|BTW., McEwen is still a prick... nm||seyboro|
Oct 13, 2002 6:11 PM
|and he beat all but one rider yesterday||climbo|
Oct 14, 2002 5:35 AM
|he's arrogant for sure, but he's an underdog in most races so he has really proven himself this year. He's actually pretty awesome and I think you need to understand the "Aussie bravado" he displays before writing him off as a prick. There are many other pricks in the peloton.|
|he's proven he's still a prick||Spoiler|
Oct 14, 2002 7:08 AM
|He's alienated himself from every other rider in the peleton. When he doesn't win, he make excuses instead of giving credit where it's due. He goes out of his way to piss off other riders. That's not Aussie bravado. Neil Stephens, Stuart O'Grady, etc, they have good-natured bravado. This guy would be an azzhole no matter what nationality he was.|
|he's proven he's still a prick||climbo|
Oct 14, 2002 12:51 PM
|based on what? "alienated himself from every other rider in the peleton", that's a very broad statement unless you know a lot of pros.|
|Reminds me of||McAndrus|
Oct 14, 2002 4:37 AM
|The good old days. Like when I did the one-day classic, Paris-Moscow-Paris in 1935.|
|"pure sprinter"? Even Cipo is an endurance rider||DougSloan|
Oct 14, 2002 8:00 AM
|I don't think you can classify any of these guys as pure sprinters. Fact is, they are all endurance riders, and Cipo just happens to be the fastest (or best) sprinter among them.
A pure sprinter would never make it to the finish line with the leaders. Someone like Nothstein might fare well in some crits and short races, but he'd be dropped 20 miles into the race by these pros.
I agree, though, that climbers are much more impressive, as their efforts require much more sustained and lengthy efforts. Nonetheless, I think you can appreciate the relative strengths of all the road race specialties, sprinting, climbing, and time trialing (could even include descending, solo break away, crits, classics vs. stage races, etc.).
|..yes, Zabel is obscured...||Chunky|
Oct 14, 2002 9:21 AM
|Who said the sprinters are not pure cyclists? On a relatively "flat" race, climbers can't match the speed of the sprinters and not even come close to contesting sprinting, because the course is not hard enough for the climbers or they are such "pure cyclists" that they can't do well on a flat course?
A flatter stage is a different game. But who can say it's not a hard race?
Plus, those sprinters can kick us everyday-cycling-Joe's butt on the hill every day. Don't think they are dead weight on the hills.
|re: WE WON!!!!!!||dave_w|
Oct 13, 2002 11:59 AM
|Oh? The world championships is a TEAM race?|
|And the we lost: Zero medals for the USA. nm||Bruno S|
Oct 13, 2002 7:19 PM
|Team USA placing||Qubeley|
Oct 13, 2002 8:50 PM
|Not only no metal, check out the placing. Ironically, the first American to finish does not speak English.
team USA placing:
16 Guido Trenti (USA) ST
23 Fred Rodriguez (USA) ST
121 Dylan Casey (USA) 2.40
138 Antonio Cruz (USA) 2.47
168 Jeff Louder (USA) 20.36
DNF Mariano Friedick (USA)
DNF Ryan Guay (USA)
DNF Chris Horner (USA)
DNF Tim Johnson (USA)
DNF Mike Sayers (USA)
|Just wondering, Captain USA...||Spunout|
Oct 14, 2002 3:32 AM
|Where does it say in your holy Constitution that to be an American, one must speak English?|| |