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Are you guys sure this great wall deal is for real?(44 posts)

Are you guys sure this great wall deal is for real?Kristin
Oct 11, 2002 10:40 AM
I started to do some research and I'm on the fence. First of all, what struck me was how he was going to land a BICYCLE on the other side. So I started to do some digging. This event is reported on a number of personal we sites, but its the same verbage over and over. The report is also very general. This is an Urban Legend red flag. I have some other problems with it too:

1. Reuters is credited in some reports, but no photographer is named. Of course, if they purchased the entire rights to the phots from a private photographer, then they would likely omit the photographers name.

2. But, this really isn't the sort of photo Rueters prints--both from a quality and content standpoint. This is material one would more likely find in a tabloid.

3. I could not locate this image or any articles about this man on Rueters US, UK or ASIA.

4. Who carries an injured man like that? (It really doesn't look like he is dead in those photos--If I'm wrong, I'm seriously sorry. But in one his knee is at a 90 angle, and parellel to the ground...like someone who is trying to stand. Not what I would expect.) So if he was still alive, where are the paramedics? Why are three people just dragging him? Can you say internal injury?

I only found one source that was even remotely credible, which offers possible valitidy. It appears on Yahoo News. I view Yahoo.com as a primary source of news; but I was under the impression that they at least verify their information before posting.
Correction, I meant to say that I DON'T view Yahoo News as a news sourceKristin
Oct 11, 2002 10:42 AM
sourcefiltersweep
Oct 11, 2002 10:49 AM
Yahoo DID run the story... as did MSN- if I could only find the link ;(

They ran the exact SAME text as everyone else.
sourcefiltersweep
Oct 11, 2002 11:00 AM
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/021004/170/2dmha.html&e=2&ncid=996

http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/primenews/story/0%2C1870%2C147102%2C00.html

http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=56995

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12256227&method=full&siteid=50143

I could go on and on... seems mostly in the French and US news...
inconsistencyColnagoFE
Oct 11, 2002 12:24 PM
"It was the first time anyone has cleared the 5,000 mile-long Great Wall on a bike. Chinese emperors had the 2,000-year-old monument built with the specific intention of preventing people getting over."

then in another article it said

"Earlier, another cyclist had made a successful leap over the wall."
Wow, he actually jumped 5,000 feet!?!?!! (nm)Kristin
Oct 11, 2002 12:35 PM
Correction, I meant to say that I DON'T view Yahoo News as a news sourceshoalin
Oct 11, 2002 11:36 AM
I did not know people still talk about my post. Get over it. I thinks this guy just stupid for pull this stund. Yes it's funny on his action and no it not funny because he paid with his life. Take this as a lesson don't be stupid people will laugh at your ass even when you dead. Peace out.
Dang!irregardless
Oct 11, 2002 1:41 PM
It's not as funny if he isn't really dead.
It doesn't matterms
Oct 11, 2002 10:49 AM
Whether the great wall/flying cyclist pic is real or not, the reactions to it on this board have been very real. I had conflicting reactions to it -- laughing at the stupidity of the rider, but also upset by a death. However, my reactions were nowhere near the extremes of others on the board. My final analysis -- soemthings just strike a raw nerve in some people, but not others. We don't have to agree that something is "funny" or "insensitive." But, it serves no purpose for people to heap personal abuse upon each other. Let's get over it. Let's ride.
I dont believe it. China would not debase the Wall this way. nmonespeed
Oct 11, 2002 10:51 AM
Of course they would.czardonic
Oct 11, 2002 12:21 PM
They are drowning countless sites of national and historical significance to build a giant damn. (http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/archaeology/34362)

Out with the old, in with the new. . .
Are we sure weiwentg is for real? nmMB1
Oct 11, 2002 10:53 AM
Best trolling I have seen in a long time. nmMB1
Oct 11, 2002 10:54 AM
they let David Copperfield walk through the Wallweiwentg
Oct 11, 2002 11:00 AM
I don't think it's exactly sacred. although onespeed is right to wonder why they'd allow a stunt like that.
and yes, MB1, I am for real. I'm sure you'd really like to characterize me as a troll, wouldn't you. when's flaws are pointed out, they get pretty defensive.
STOP IT NOW! ENOUGH ALREADY! GO AWAY nmMB1
Oct 11, 2002 11:14 AM
Maybe <i>you</i> are the troll. You called him out, no? (nm)czardonic
Oct 11, 2002 12:09 PM
Have you guys heard of triggering? (nm)Kristin
Oct 11, 2002 11:30 AM
That's what I thought.Spoiler
Oct 11, 2002 12:40 PM
Maybe he/she is indeed an educated psychology student who's doing some behavioral research/experimentation.
Don't worry I'm on it...Wayne
Oct 11, 2002 10:56 AM
I emailed the folks at TruthorFiction.com, apparently what they do is figure this stuff out. Fun site to check out. I'm believing it for now. I think it's wrong to assume that China has anywhere near the standards for having medical personal on site for something like this or that non-medical people have the general "safety" knowledge that Americans have. They may, but I'm not sure that's the case.
I did a quick web and google search...nothing on this (n)ColnagoFE
Oct 11, 2002 12:17 PM
You kidding or daft? ;)filtersweep
Oct 11, 2002 12:23 PM
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Wang+Jiaxiong&btnG=Google+Search
didnt search for his name...just "great, wall, china"ColnagoFE
Oct 11, 2002 12:31 PM
I see there is plenty out there but something just doesnt add up about this. Strange. Seems staged but then again it might be totally legit.
staging stufffiltersweep
Oct 11, 2002 12:44 PM
I've seen plenty of staged videos online... ever see the one with the mtn biker that allegedly broke his neck riding across a "tetter-totter" ? I call "no way" that it just "happened" to be caught on tape. Or the woman who walks out of a store and gets hit by a car? Camera just happened to be there as well (following her as she walked, no less.
Well there could have been plenty people there watching.Kristin
Oct 11, 2002 1:00 PM
And someone could have sold these photos to Reuters. But I can't find any evidence that these were ever published by Rueters. I looked thru all their photos (under all categories), on the Asia, US & UK sites for the 2nd thru the 5th and did not find these images anywhere.
You go girl!No_sprint
Oct 11, 2002 1:06 PM
Good detective work! Now give me some more info on tents and sleeping bags and stuff. I want know what the best gear to snuggle up with you out in the wilderness is! :)

I'm not anywhere convinced this gig is real. Same with the dude getting thrown off the bridge in that little *race* mpg. No way on that one, no doubt.
this claims to be a Reuters photoColnagoFE
Oct 11, 2002 12:48 PM
and maybe I'm just an inept searcher, but couldnt find a think on the local or the asian reuters site on this. There appears to be no "China Reuters" as in the photo credits. Yet another inconsistency.
Even if it's real, and I hope it's so,Leroy
Oct 11, 2002 12:57 PM
this is some of the best trolling I have ever seen! Especially the posts aghast at the reactions, citing as moral authority their college classroom knowledge. This may be the reprise of the last morality policeman - I can't even remember the name now - that carried on that way - maybe it was in the 9/11 fallout on this board. At any rate it really jacked the forum faithful up, so in that sense it was a very successful troll. At least we know that Taiwanese bikes weren't at fault in draining this guy's genepool. A good Chinese Evel Kneivel wouldn't use a Taiwan bike. Maybe it was an Airborne, aren't they made in China? Whoops, here we go again!!!

Dave Loving
One interesting thing about the photo...Captain Morgan
Oct 11, 2002 3:21 PM
...is the fact that he is off his bike. Maybe if he stayed on the bike and just crashed on the landing it might not be as funny. But seeing him floating in mid-air like an idiot makes it seem more, well, idiotic. This also makes it look a little fake. In any event, its good, quality entertainment.
A Chinese guy named Wang? No way!Spoiler
Oct 11, 2002 3:39 PM
Now that's outrageous!
Long Duck Dong. (16 Candles). NMhusker
Oct 11, 2002 4:27 PM
it's a common surnameweiwentg
Oct 11, 2002 6:33 PM
in English it means King.
don't scorn that of which you know nothing. it's rude.
Man, grzy was right!Pescador
Oct 12, 2002 5:12 AM
'Bout the pu$$y thing.
nopeweiwentg
Oct 12, 2002 11:08 AM
the above poster's statement borders on the racist. he can be excused, however, due to his complete stupidity.
grzy's statement is beneath contempt. not that I would expect any better.
yours is completely idiotic.
YepPescador
Oct 12, 2002 11:36 AM
So if he had made a tongue in cheek statement about being surprised to hear of a Johanson in Sweden, a Flynn in Ireland or a Park in Korea, that would border on the racist? Sound a bit paranoid.

grzy's statement was accurate. Mine was simple minded confirmation of what someone else said. Not that you'd expect any better.
Yepweiwentg
Oct 12, 2002 1:03 PM
1) scatalogical (ie related to sexual functions) content.

2) actually I did, but that was silly of me. of course you aren't capable of anything better!
Can't argue with a brilliant response like thatPescador
Oct 12, 2002 4:10 PM
Are you going to respond to every post? Don't you have anything better to do with your time, you poor angry boy?
well, you did start this string of postsweiwentg
Oct 12, 2002 5:40 PM
you try to set me off ... this is what happens.
you are so pathetic. I can't decide which would be more sad, that you realize it, or that you don't.
No, what's sadPescador
Oct 12, 2002 6:10 PM
is the fact that you're continually responding to me when my only goal has been to bait you. You're spending a hell of a lot of energy on this whole issue. I'm not. Sleep well, if you're not too wound up from pointing out how idiotic everyone on the board is and how enlightened and civilized you are.
Hey, was he riding the correct Chinese bike? (Airborne)IAmtnbikr
Oct 11, 2002 5:09 PM
NM
A Friend of a Friend Heard ...jtolleson
Oct 11, 2002 6:22 PM
I know, I know. It doesn't fix the urban legend inquiry because it is ALWAYS a friend of a friend who heard ...

but after reading the skepticism here, I mentioned it on bicycling.com, and there's a woman there who swears she saw it in a Hong Kong newspaper.

??
re: Are you guys sure this great wall deal is for real?jaekormtb
Oct 11, 2002 9:01 PM
Currently I'm living in South Korea and I saw that photo in the International Herald Tribune last weekend. I think it's real. The stunt, the lack of proper equipment and medical personel, and him simply being carried off are pretty consistent with what I've seen in Asia.
He looses his life, his dignity and now his credibilityChainstay
Oct 12, 2002 3:32 AM
Oh the agony, I'm dead and they are laughing at my stupidity. Now they are starting to even doubt that I attempted this brave stunt and was almost successful. I guess I won't be seeing a plaque on the wall for my heroism.
LOOK at the photoMe Dot Org
Oct 12, 2002 8:22 AM
Look at the size of the guy compared to the size of the people watching on the wall. If you want another measure of scale, look at the size of the bricks in the wall.

The guy appears to be several HUNDRED feet away from the wall...AFTER he jumped it!

In your mind's eye, pivot your viewing angle 90 degrees, so that the Wall is parallel, not perpedicular.

Now imagine going down an 80 meter ramp that would propel you THAT far over the wall...I don't think so...

IMHO, the photo is a fake.
I think so too but...ColnagoFE
Oct 14, 2002 6:14 AM
a wide angle lens shot close to the subject could cause the background to look further away. I'm wiht you though. Something doesnt add up here. I suspect a plant.