|I love my wife !!||PaulCL|
Oct 10, 2002 6:54 AM
|As I was driving my wife to the airport this morning - on her way to Savannah/Hilton Head for a 'girls' weekend, she suggested something wonderful to me. She said that I need a 'guys' trip of some sort. She also mentioned that she is so glad that I am into cyclng since it has kept me sane over the last couple of years. The sanity part: I'm an investment advisor. The market has sucked, my business sucks, my income is down, my stress in maxed out, and my clients have hired a hit man to take me out. The bike has been a stress reliever. Its' nice to hear the words from my wife - the same woman who refers to my bike as my "mistress".
But I digress.... the 'guys' trip. Off hand, I said that I would love to fly out to Colorado over the summer to do one of those week long "ride the rockies' type tours. She said that I should definitly schedule it and that I deserve it after such a stressful, horrible, year. So, I need help. Which ride or rides should I consider doing??? Any experience out there??? Anyone want to join me?? (I am quite sure none of my riding friends would do it with me) I'm serious - it would be great to ride with a bunch of RBR regulars.
Thanks for the input. I now have something to look forward to other than the stock market only losing 100 points today (versus 215 yesterday). Paul
|so, you fell for the ol' "girls" weekend, huh? (jes kiddin) nm||bill|
Oct 10, 2002 7:17 AM
|sure. Why not??||PaulCL|
Oct 10, 2002 9:15 AM
|Funny, but her girlfriends have weird names...Bruce, Chuck, Thor, and Lars. Must be funny lookin' girls???
Seriously, my wife and her HS buddies all turned 40 this year, so they've used it as an excuse to get together at a friends condo in Hilton Head. I'm not too worried about any carousing 'cause they're all so worn out: all have three or more kids, 3 MDs, 1 attorney, 1 college physics prof, and the really tired one...the stay-at-home Mom. Instead of carousing, they'll all probably take a nap.
In the words of my brother-in-law: "If I had time for a mistress, I'd take a nap instead"
|My favorite is my friend's wife who sleeps soundly knowing that||bill|
Oct 10, 2002 9:30 AM
|her husband remains faithful because, in her assessment, he's too lazy to pull it off. "It's too much work to hide it," she says.
The thing that had my on the floor laughing is that she is absolutely, positively right. It's not so much that he wouldn't; he IS too lazy.
Oct 10, 2002 9:45 AM
|I can't blame him. A relationship with one is taxing enough.
So, does he know that she sleeps around on him?? If he knows and does nothing, then he's REALLY lazy.
|re: I love my wife !!||pmf1|
Oct 10, 2002 7:19 AM
|Yeah, I wish I had just buried my retirement money in the back yard in a coffee can, I'd be thousands of dollars ahead.
Bike tours -- I've done a few of these. I try yo do one every year, bu tdid not this year. Here's what I've done and comments. I ALWAYS opt for the hotel option because I don't like to camp. I've found it well worth it. If you're alone (my wife usually goes with), that may get lonely. I hear there is lots of camaraderie at the campground.
1. Pedal PA -- This was a real climbfest and easily the hardest tour I ever did. No altitude, but those hills are steep. Mileage was 80-100 miles per day. Unlike the next two, this ride only had 2500 riders. I did the Penn central and am in that pack shown on the picture. http://www.pedal-pa.com
2. Bike Virginia -- The year I did this it was in the Southern VA piedmont. Flat and hot. Most other years it is in the mountains and challenging. The countryside in VA is quite pretty. http://www.bikevirginia.com/
3. Ride the Rockies -- I found the altitude more challenging than the climbing (I live at about 300 feet above sea level in DC, we crossed some passes that were 12,000+ feet on the ride). We took a week to acclimate which helped. Colorado is beautiful. The climbs were long, but not super steep. http://www.ridetherockies.com/
4. Tuscany -- Best vacation of my life. If you can pull this off, do it. Words can't adequately describe it. http://www.cinghiale.com/html/start.html
(I've got pictures if someone can tell me how to post them -- I'm a technological caveman).
|re: I love my wife !!||CARBON110|
Oct 10, 2002 7:42 AM
|Hey Paul...where do you live in USA? If not in the SE, you could consider Western NC. It is Extreeemly bike friendly. We have a regular attendance of20-40 rides on our group rides as well as a number of Road bike Pro's and Mtn bike Pro's who ride with us cat 3, 4, and masters. We have the blue ridge parkway and you can ride all year. Its not CO of course, but it has the best road/mtn bike combo o the east coast for sure. Anyway, too bad the DOW has turned out to be the 21st century Titanic. Bes of luck!|
|I'll add a couple||Ray Sachs|
Oct 10, 2002 7:45 AM
|I'll second the Pedal PA recommendation - incredibly tough but very pretty and you stay in dorm rooms rather than camping.
I did the Bon Ton Roulet in the Finger Lakes region of New York this summer - excellent tour, well organized, beautiful country, a couple of tough days but nothing like Pedal PA.
I've also done a few private company tours (Freewheeling, Bike Vermont) that were nice and one in Wales (Bicycle Beano) that was an absolute blast - most outright FUN I've ever had on a cycling tour, although the mileage was pretty mellow.
I'd also like to do a Rocky Mountain tour at some point, but I don't know that the finances are going to be there this year.
|Is that you in the picture???||PaulCL|
Oct 10, 2002 7:48 AM
|Third from the left?? ;)
The bikevirginia sounds interesting. Very close, so I can drive to it. I just got back from a weekend trip to Hot Springs, Va. Gorgeous area, intense hills. From reading the webpage, it is a Sat - Wed trip. That might be best. That way the hitmen only have five days to search for me out of state.
Thanks for the reply. Paul
|Is that you in the picture???||pmf1|
Oct 10, 2002 7:58 AM
|You can't see me in that picture. I've looked hard.
I didn't like bike VA, but it was because it was flat and really hot that year (this was the first year I conned my wife into going, so I had to pick an easy one). A friend did it this year and had a great time. Its usually in the mountians. I go out the the Shenandoah valley and ride frequently. Its challenging and beautiful.
Hopefully the real hit man we have here in DC will be apprehended by next summer.
|Is that you in the picture???||PaulCL|
Oct 10, 2002 8:07 AM
|I like the idea of riding close to home. A VA ride would save me several $100's on airfare. I want to do a ride that has mountains. I can ride flats, steep hills, and rollers all day at home.
Hopefully the police will catch that hitman soon. I've really been impressed with the police officer in the press reports. He seems to be very committed and professional. Of course, I live just outside of Cincinnati, so anything would be a step up policeforce-wise.
Take care. Paul
|Is that you in the picture???||pmf1|
Oct 10, 2002 9:15 AM
|If you want mountains, PA wouldn't be too far away from you either. The Penn Central starts in Pittsburgh. I drove up to Philidelphia, parked, and caught their bus to Pittsburgh. The bus ride and bike haul was something like $50. They did the reverse run at the end of the ride. I did the early bird pay off option. The entire week cost around $1000 -- that's a pretty cheap vacation. The food was decent to good and plentiful (dorm food).
Its definitely a challenging ride. The first 2 days were the toughest. The third day was medium and then the two in Amish country were rolling. Except for going over one mountain, the last days were relatively easy.
When I did it, we stayed in dorm rooms -- some of which were even air conditioned. If you do it alone, it may be worth paying a little extra not to have a roommate. On two nights, the singles got air conditioned rooms, while the doubles did not. Plus, the guy I got paired up with to share a room one night (we were visiting a small college) was really annoying.
Sorry to confuse you with another Paul in the Trek vs. Look vs. Colnago thread down there. The Paul I know is kind of a character and I wanted to razz him (esp about the century his bike club put on with imaginary food and gatorade at the rest stops).
Oct 10, 2002 9:40 AM
|Is it mountainous or hilly?? In my area and southward, it is very hilly. On a typical 50 miler, I will have to climb five or six 4-500ft 7-10% grade hills. So hilly I have, mountains I want. So, I'm leaning toward VA if it is mountainous for 2003.
P.S. As for the other Paul....I didn't read the thread but if he rides a Colnago, then he's OK in my book......
Oct 10, 2002 9:50 AM
|In the east coast, 4000-5000 7-10% grade hills are typically referred to as mountians. That's what you get if you ride the Shenandoah or blue ridge hills ... I mean mountains, in VA. The amount of climbing on the PA ride probably surpasses that in bike VA.
20,000 feet of climbing in 50 miles is a lot. If that's what you're used to, then PA or VA may bore you.
Ride the Rockies went over some mountain passes where you climbed 6000-7000 feet over several miles. East coast mountians differ from those in the west. The Rockies are big mountains, but the roads were more recently built and are more gently sloping. The mountains in the east are more worn down, but some of the roads are incredibly steep. If you want "real" mountains, maybe you ought to go to Colorado. For me, that PA ride was the hardest one I ever did.
|4-500 (hundred) feet not thousands||PaulCL|
Oct 10, 2002 10:35 AM
|Climbing a half dozen 5000ft "hills" in 50 miles would kill me. It would be my last ride.
I've ridden in CO before - 4000ft of climbing up Loveland pass, Fremont pass, etc. Long and painful, but not steep. I'm just looking for a change of scenery. As I wrote earlier, I was in VA a couple of weeks ago and fell in love with the area. I'm still open to other suggestions. Thanks for all of your help. Paul
|OK, that's a hill||pmf1|
Oct 10, 2002 11:42 AM
|The scenery in VA is really nice. The roads are fairly good, but for some reason, do not have shoulders. I went over a pass near Front Royal on Sunday that was about 2 miles of climbing (no idea how many feet). You'd hit that sort of stuff if you did either Pedal PA, or Bike VA.
They will both give you the experience you're looking for. Like I said, PA is harder.
If you want to do one of these and stay in hotels, start looking for rooms early on. None of the tours I've gone on (except Tuscany) arranged rooms to stay in. Ride the Rockies was especially hard since most of the rooms were booked when I started trying. Both RTR and BV did have buses to haul you to and from the hotels. RTR even had bag service where they picked up and dropped off your bags at the hotel. That was nice.
|Do you really have a hit man?||PODIUMBOUNDdotCA|
Oct 10, 2002 7:45 AM
|Do you really have a hit man after you? Because you should tell your clients thats not a wise investment for a number of reasons.
1) They see no monetary gain from the investment.
2) Its slightly illegal.
3-10) They can go to jail for it rendering whatever financial investments useless.
By the way the Okanogan and Rockies around Calgary are a really nice place to ride.
Just my 2 cents!
|Do you really have a hit man?||PaulCL|
Oct 10, 2002 7:51 AM
|I'll assume no. Just a joke.
As you can imagine in my business: all stocks that go up are due to the genius of my clients, all that go down is due to the ineptitude of the advisor. I've apparently been inept for almost three years. Only my bond clients love me.
|test that love -- come do the Etape du Tour!!||philippec|
Oct 10, 2002 8:11 AM
Etape du Tour (probably in the Pyrénées)
rustic B&B Accomodations + evening meal @ 25$/night
ride famous cols till your legs fall off (Tourmalet, anyone?)
Throw in one or two other cyclosportives or FFC races.
That, my friend, is how to test your wife's love!
|test that love -- come do the Etape du Tour!!||PaulCL|
Oct 10, 2002 8:28 AM
|OK...I'll bite. Do you have a webpage??|
|test that love -- come do the Etape du Tour!!||philippec|
Oct 10, 2002 8:35 AM
|here is the page for the Etape www.letapedutour.com (part of the site is in english). I can help you with the accomodations in Gites d'Etape (see www.gites-de-france.fr)
It is a blast!!! You get to ride a stage of the Tour in the same conditions as the pro's (who do the same stage ~2 days later) -- that means crouds of cheering fans, complete road closure, gendarme escorts, etc....
Last year the ride was on the Aime-Cluses Stage, this year it will likely be in the Pyrénées. I think at least one other poster on this board did it last year....
Oct 10, 2002 8:31 AM
|Based on a post by Philippe last year, I investigated the Etape, became intrigued by the idea and then did it. Notwithstanding the fact that the Etape is only one stage of the Tour de France and I was one of the slowest to finish (at least I finished), I now am known around the office as "the guy who rode the Tour de France." There is an unofficial English-language site for the Etape (www.etape.org.uk); the official site is not as good, but does have an English language option (www.letapedutour.com). Application forms are not available until the end of January and you must send it immediately to have a chance of getting a jersey number.
Words cannot express how glad I am that I did the Etape. Although I cannot afford to go to France in the style that I did last year (2 1/2 weeks, with wife and kids, house in the Alps, five days in Paris), I am thinking of cheaper ways to do the Etape this year (and convince the family to let me go to France without them). Hope to see you in the Pyrenees.
Oct 10, 2002 8:40 AM
|get back to me -- I am scrambling to get some "leaked" info on the course in order to reserve early accomodations. Like I said to Paul, I usually stay in gites d'etape. They are clean, comfortable and convivial -- and many have a demi-pension option. Cost is approx 25 euros/night (room+breakfast+dinner), last year I got one in a 1700's maison de village in Valezan a mere 5 kms from the start in Aime for 17 euros/night -- plus a doting grandmother who watched over us for the entire week ("eat, eat, you bike riders are wasting away...")|
|I checked the webpages||PaulCL|
Oct 10, 2002 8:59 AM
|It looks like a dangerous ride with too many riders.
Of course, it also sounds like a blast to do. Out of curiousity, to those who have flown over to do it, what kind of cost is involved for the whole trip??? At 25 Euros per day, the cost to stay is minimal. Since it is a one day event, did you stay around and ride other area while in France??
I would love to do it, but going to France without my wife would really test her love for me.
Oct 10, 2002 10:04 AM
|The biggest cost is airfare. Roundtrip airfare last summer from Baltimore-Washington International to Geneva (the closest major airport to last year's Etape) was approximately $1,100.00. There was a point last spring when I could have locked in for $850.00, but I foolishly thought that fares would go down further and they did not (the fares change every day -- I monitored them from February until April when I locked in at $1,100.00). The next biggest cost is auto rental. You will need something large enough for your bike. I rented an Opel station wagon for approximately $600.00 for ten days. If you stayed in one place and had transportation from the place to the beginning and end of the Etape, you probably could do without a car if you were willing to restrict your rides to the vicinity of where you were staying. Food and lodging are the great variables. The registration fee for the Etape is minimal (I think it is around 45 Euros).
Last year the Etape was on a Monday. We stayed in a house in Areches, which is near Beaufort (one of the towns through which the Etape ran). We arrived on the Wednesday prior to the event. I rode in the vicinity of Areches on the Thursday, Friday (Col du Pre) and Saturday (including my doing the second climb, the Col des Saises, twice). I also rode in the vicinity of Areches on the Wednesday following the event and rode to the see the Tour go over the Col des Saises on the Thursday following. My intention to ride some of the famous cols in the Alps was dashed by my "domestiques" (i.e., wife and daughters), who did not want to spend all of their time driving around the Alps and then waiting for me to finish a ride -- so all of my trips started and ended at the house in Areches.
Tell your wife that she will be bored waiting for you while you are riding all day.
|When and how should I get back to you?||ms|
Oct 10, 2002 10:37 AM
|My email is email@example.com|
|my brother and I are doing this route in the summer||MJ|
Oct 10, 2002 8:27 AM
|Is that a MTN bike ride??||PaulCL|
Oct 10, 2002 9:10 AM
|I looked at the webpage and didn't see anything about road bike ride. Am I too early for it to be posted??
Have fun on the ride. I wish my brother rode.
|Is that a MTN bike ride??||MJ|
Oct 11, 2002 12:49 AM
|it's off road - I'm taking my cross bike
my brother doesn't ride - but he's started on my MBO Zip - he's been motivated by the trip
|Watch the mailman!||Jaybo|
Oct 10, 2002 12:24 PM
|She may be trying to get you out of town for a bit of a rendevous. Just kiddin'. If I were you, I would put the road bike away and find a really hot mountain bike. *L* Go for it! You only live once or more depending on your religion. |
PS Watch the mailman.
|Watch the mailman! -- My dad wasn't suspicious until we . . .||Look381i|
Oct 10, 2002 4:06 PM
|moved from Manhattan to San Francisco and had the same mailman. ;>)|
Oct 10, 2002 4:44 PM
|Paul... for the last three years I've had ALL of my retirement in money markey making 6%. I haven't lost a penny! Should I now dump it all back in the agressive stock fund?
Oh... sorry... this isn't the MutualFundReview.com message board!
Oct 10, 2002 6:18 PM
|I could get in trouble giving advice on a posting page. Seriously. For some reason the SEC and NASD get down right pissy about online advice giving. Go figure??
But what the hell...my answer is: It depends. If you are 60 and five years from retirement, stay put. If you are 30 and 35 years from retirement, go for the market. In between, take 'baby steps' back in. I don't think the feds can get too upset about that advice. But an aggressive stock fund for it all??? Never. Asset allocation, my friend. Put your eggs in many baskets: bonds, large company stocks, med. co. stocks, small co. stocks, utilities, REITs,foreign stocks, under your pillow and the jar in the back yard, etc......
P.S. I hate your guts you lucky SOB !! just kidding. If you have been in a money market, then can I borrow your crystal ball for a while??? And no money market is yielding 6%...most are at the 1 or 2% range now. You sure it isn't a bond fund????
Oct 10, 2002 9:25 PM
|I thought it was the TIAA/CREF money market. When I get my quarterly statement all I look at is the bottom line. The last few years it's been 6% dead on. Seriously, I didn't loose anything in all this turmoil so I'm pretty darn happy. I didn't do this on purpose... I was too lazy to change my asset allocation based on what my financial advisor planned out. She would be darned proud of my procrastination. I've been too busy cycling and working on my bikes. Geez... you married people have spouses to do the yard work and cook and clean and I'm stuck doing it all. I guess I need to visit www.russian-brides.com or better yet www.russian-cycling-brides.com|| |