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Choosing between aluminum tubsets(14 posts)

Choosing between aluminum tubsetscollinsc
Oct 6, 2002 5:28 PM
Torn between framesets, similar geometries, even the same Deda carbon seat stays, but each made of different breeds of aluminum.

One is V107 and the other SC61.10
V107 seems to be the somewhat more mystical of tubesets, with many mentions of incredible responsiveness and an oddly smooth ride.

SC61.10 is widely used in a ton of very popular framesets. It seems to be a hearty and well rounded utilitarian tubeset.

Will V107 lift me up with incredible performance, only to let me down with with fragility and a short lifespan? Will SC61.10 last through any rough condition but leave me wanting more response when shooting up the next hill?

How would you decide?
By the frame constructor, and geometryLeroy
Oct 6, 2002 5:39 PM
You've got to have faith in the builder, that's all.
geometry differences are negligablecollinsc
Oct 6, 2002 7:11 PM
a half degree on the ST, .3 cm on the chainstays, and .5 on the TT for the range of equivalent sizes.

Both builders are well known, respected and historied Italian houses.

so whats left? Paint job?
have you ridden them?laffeaux
Oct 6, 2002 9:56 PM
Bikes that seem the same on paper often ride vvery differently.
...just get the De Rosa!! Fondriest is overpriced(guessing, NM)Spunout
Oct 7, 2002 5:47 AM
nope, and probably wont be able tocollinsc
Oct 7, 2002 6:59 AM
the nearest De Rosa dealer is 100 miles away, and the nearest Gios is excelsports.com.

the De Rosa dealer isnt exactly swimming in them either. Last time i was there he had two unbuilt frames.

Deciding between the Merak, the Planet and the Gios Carbon (which has only recently caught my eye) I think will be a largely arbitrary decision.

I think ill just use the HRM to see which frame makes my heart beat faster.
some help - derosa ride reports - LONGSmoothie
Oct 7, 2002 8:25 AM
collinsc,

good frame choices! Maybe this will help you. I have a planet and spent alot of hours going back and forth between the merek and the planet before I settled on it.

Before buying the frame I got a chance to log about 1 hour 15 mins on the planet with compact geo, and got to ride a slightly larger Merek standard geo for about 45 mins.

The planet and the merek rode fairly different. I'm coming off a Ti bike so both were nice and stiff. The merek is stiffer than the planet and although it's not a harsh ride if you plan to spend some serious time in the saddle over long rides it might get to you. Your level of comfort and tolerance will vary from mine I'm sure. I couldn't stand my Ti noodle anymore but full alum kind-of put me off. So the planet was a perfect compromise of speed (stiff frame) and comfort for me. Just be warned carbon stays don't really do a huge amount to dampen the shocks, it isn't a full carbon or Ti bike.

The merek did snap out of turns a bit better - throw down some pedal strokes and the bike just leaps out of a sharp corner. The planet was also very fast coming out of a corner - and a bit more forgiving to tracking errors. I didn't feel the extra stiffness in the merek was worth giving up the carbon stays on the planet. Same feeling on out of saddle hammers. I didn't notice any flex but I'm 150lbs. The compact geo of the planet was the final selling point for me – it just fit perfect. The merek is available in compact as well but I didn't want to wait and lead time on that size frame was pretty long.

Both bikes track amazingly well in the front with a full carbon fork/steerer. Planet is 100grams heavier (as if that matters - both bikes come down to 16-17 pounds fairly easy) and $200 or so cheaper. But the colors on the merek are simply gorgeous; I'm not thrilled about the perl white planet. Most people end up buying the merek due to the team colors.

If you can wait and your pocket can handle it in about 4-5 months the 03's should be out. They added a new "Dual" to the lineup. U2 tubing with carbon seat AND chain stays. Should prove to be an interesting ride – price is going to be on par or higher than the current UD frame.

Hope that helps a little and good luck – you'll love whatever you end up with. Bikes at this caliber are all amazing.
i have the merakmike r
Oct 7, 2002 10:42 AM
in blue (caldirola colours)
its an amazing ride, i ride a fixed wheel commuter on weekdays. it makes riding the de rosa even more incredible.
i don't find it harsh at all and there are some rough roads around here (ireland) maybe i'm just used to it.

you won't be disappointed
Wow, thanks!collinsc
Oct 7, 2002 1:16 PM
This is exactly what I was looking for. I too am 150lbs (and am coming from a not-so-stiff Ti bike) so it sounds like I can trust what info you offer.

I have seen the Dual photos, and while it looks absolutely awesome (I certainly would enjoy a U2 frame) it is beyond my budget and my scope of practicality.

I do have one last question though. One one hand we have the rocketship Merak, and on the other the slightly smoother Planet. What happens when we mix the two can come out with the Gios Carbon? V107 tubing of the Merak, Deda Carbon rear end of the Planet. While you said that the damping is minimal, I would assume some vibration cancellation could be found from the carbon stays.

Thanks again for your help
afterthought: what do you think of the Planet's paint? nmcollinsc
Oct 7, 2002 1:20 PM
afterthought: what do you think of the Planet's paint? nmSmoothie
Oct 8, 2002 6:04 AM
Collinsc,

The Planet paint is very nice. Very understated, but with alot of character. It's hard to explain. Yeah it looks white with some blue highlights...but it's a DeRosa paint job so it's not that simple. The paint has a nice texture to it and really looks like a pearl when you get close to it. The color has grown on me. Also make sure when you order the frame to get the custom bar tape that matches the blue highlights. The tape is DeRosa tape and very comfy.

I really liked the red/blue team colors of the Merek (that's the only color that was imported by sinclairimports - thieves by the way!) And the black/blue that you can get in Europe is sweet, but never seen one firsthand here.
frame materialsSmoothie
Oct 8, 2002 6:19 AM
Collin,

hmmm I couldn't give you an answer. Never ridden a Gios Carbon. Here are some thoughts though -

I agree that with the same tubing and carbon stays it would worth checking out. But remember that the shape of the tubes, the overall geometry and how the frame builder wields it all together is what makes a frame what it is. I've ridden Ti bikes and full carbon bikes that feel completely different even though they use the same Ti/carbon materials.

Maybe it would be nice to make some calls and try to find one to ride - take a road trip if you must. It all depends on you. Your road conditions come into play as well, some roads are more forgiving than others. It's hard to buy things when you can't do A to B comparisons but you gotta make due with what you got. Get the frame that matches what you want out of bike and your riding type. This isn't the last frame you'll buy so don't stress on it too much. I don't think you can go wrong with any of your choices.

If all else fails buy based on weight, frame color, or price! If they all fit geo wise than you'll be happy regardless! Good luck and let us know what you end up with!
choose blueSpirito
Oct 7, 2002 9:45 AM
Roger de V. will be proud.

just on looks alone i think its a winner and im sure you wont see many. and it has a real headtube badge ;-)

i haven't ridden any of your contenders so am not qualified with any realworld advice but excel are pretty cool to call and ask (about the Gios) as they aren't pushy and most of the phone op's are pretty keen cyclists with good knowledge and experience.

ciao
choose bluecollinsc
Oct 7, 2002 1:19 PM
any thoughts to my reply above?

If V107 of the Merak has the snap, and the carbon stays of the Planet smooth the ride a bit, is the Gios Carbon, with its V107 and carbon stays, exactly what I am looking for?

And I have to say, that as much as I drool for the De Rosa paint, there is something pretty alluring about the winning blue...