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So, the question is: One of three question(17 posts)

So, the question is: One of three questionRon L
Oct 3, 2002 10:19 AM
You have saved up a bunch of cash to buy your dream bike (what ever it may be). Lets say you have $5500.00 for your rig and the wife and kids are ok with that. You plan to spec this dream bike out from the frame up. You pick your frameset, groupset (maybe you want to mix the group a little ReCord/Chorus Dura-Ace/Ultegra to streach the bucks to $5700.00) wheels (Mavic or VeloMax), bars, stem. you get the picture.

But the frameset you want only comes as a bike; a complete bike. No mixing of components, no Easton Mag stem, carbon bars, Vittoria or Conti tires.
Remember how long it took you to find the saddle that works best for you. Well, it's not part of the manufactures complete bike specs. Can't have it, not unless you want to have two saddles.

So, the question is, how much is your dream worth to You? Do you support this or not.
You Will Not get to do this again.
I have the same problem, my lbs suggested...rtyszko
Oct 3, 2002 10:50 AM
that I just buy the bike as sold, swap out parts and take the extra parts and sell them on Ebay. No kidding, that's what they said to do. After some thought I am inclined to try something else because knowing myself, I'd never get around to selling the stuff and it'd hang around my garage and given away at my next moving sale/divorce!

Seriously, though, I've decided that if I cannot get my frame and spec and if I really want it badly enough, I'll just build it up, spend a bit more but have less crap hanging around after.

For me, bikes kinda come and gopmf1
Oct 3, 2002 10:53 AM
Unfortunately, if you're like me, a "dream bike" is a fleeting thing. I remember drooling over Bridgestone RB-1's, and then it was a Merckx TSX Century, a Seven Axiom ...

No matter what you buy, sooner or later you'll want something else. My last purchase was a C-40 that I'm still happy with (not looking yet anyway). Before that, it was a Litespeed Ultimate and earlier a Kestrel 200.

I do think its important to get what you want on a bike. To me, a dream bike is something that you make every decision on. If you buy a 2003 Litespeed (for example) that can now only be bought as a complete bike, and then have to spend another $700 to get exactly what you want on it, then its going to end up being a very expensive bike. On the other hand, if you buy a Serotta instead, and then spend the rest of your life (or at least the next few years) wishing you had bought that Litespeed, then the Serotta wasn't a very good deal.

If the pre-built bike has no substitutes in your eyes, then you might as well buy it and replace components. It can be done over time since bars and tires wear out. A saddle is not real expensive. Extra wheelsets are nice to have. Changing a fork, HS, post, cranks, etc could really add up though.

I'm a little confused about you wanting to mix Campy and Shimano components and would suggest against that.

$5700 is A LOT of money to spend on a bike. At that price, you can get ANYTHING you want if you shop around. The longer I am involved in riding and buying high end bikes, the more I am convinced that they are all pretty nice and are fairly close substitutes.

Just out of curiosity, what is your heart throb's name?
I think he meant mixing Record w/Chorus and DA w/Ultegra.(nm)jtferraro
Oct 3, 2002 11:53 AM
$5700 wont buy you exactly what you want?onespeed
Oct 3, 2002 11:24 AM
I find this hard to believe. Shop around, hit the internet there has to be some way to get what you want. Try overseas internet sites for frame only purchases. Then buy a gruppo. I cant believe that anyone would mix Record and Chorus. They are a unit, they dont mix, prcatice fierce segregation on this point.

What kind of bike are you looking at?
ron prolly meant mixing ult/DA or record/chorus. NMcurtybirdychopper
Oct 3, 2002 11:33 AM
You are correct THANX . NMRon L
Oct 4, 2002 4:12 PM
re: So, the question is: One of three questionaliensporebomb
Oct 3, 2002 11:44 AM
All I know is, if my wife gave the a-ok for a $5500 bike
she'd be getting diamonds soon after the bike arrived.

You are a lucky man, Sir.
re: So, the question is: One of three questionlegs
Oct 3, 2002 11:47 AM
friggin merlins..(american bicycle group)
truth be told.. if you have cool dealer he will swap stuff out for you...
The answer? Visit Richard Sachs [nm]Leroy
Oct 3, 2002 12:04 PM
re: So, the question is: One of three questionPEDDLEFOOT
Oct 3, 2002 12:13 PM
Wouldn't it be possible to find a quality custom frame builder to duplicate the tubing and geometry of the frame you want and then build from there?
Ditto that -- go custom. Youll never regret it...brider
Oct 3, 2002 1:24 PM
...and it may well be the last dream bike you'll ever want.
re: So, the question is: One of three questiondivve
Oct 3, 2002 12:53 PM
I'd get the whole bike...then again I'm not all that picky concerning individual components...also in my experience a good LBS will make you a deal if you like to switch out something on a new bike.
1) Find a new LBS who is willing to give you service. 2)...Spunout
Oct 3, 2002 1:44 PM
2) Why $5500? What if the perfect bike for you is only $3000? ARe you very rich? Would you rather put $2K in an investment for your childrens' education?

Is this for a bike 'a la poseur?'

3) If I can find a bike for you for $4K, I will charge you a consulting fee of $1,500. I promise you that it will fit perfectly, and provide you with a lifetime's enjoyment. You have my guarantee.
BTW, it will be a Merak with Record 10s ;-)..................NFMSpunout
Oct 3, 2002 1:46 PM
Bad dealfiltersweep
Oct 3, 2002 2:00 PM
First of all, I believe any rig worth its salt will be available as a frameset... seems the vast majority of framebuilders agree with that. I would NOT touch a bike or reseller that wouldn't work with me.

I was recently in this exact situation... was considering a "deal" on a year end close out 5200, but didn't want the triple, anything that said Bontrager, didn't even want to buy wheels. The shop didn't want the headache, which I can understand.

I checked another shop- different frame this time- only looking at a frameset and a build at the shop, and their build software couldn't handle mixing DA and Ultegra for the build... so I went to another shop.

Final shop received a bunch of my money- would build it exactly as I wanted cheaper than I imagined, and I walked out with a Look that I am very happy with. I kept my "old" saddle, pedals, wheels... didn't pay for anything that I didn't want.

I would not work with a shop that didn't want to work with me. Period. To me, a "dream bike" does not come "off the rack" pre-built. That is not to say that there aren't great bikes pre-built- but wheels and saddle alone are such matters of taste (if not compromise). If I'm paying several thousands of dollars for a bike, I don't want to mess around with ebay! And I don't want to trade out parts at wholesale and pay full retail for their replacement (one shop's solution). Forgeddaboutit!
You need to shop for a new bike shop !Mr Good
Oct 3, 2002 9:52 PM
When you buy a whole new bike, the bike shop should be willing to swap seat/stem/bars/gears. They should only charge you for the difference if the new part is more expensive than the old one. This is how shops build goodwill and create loyal customers who keep coming back. If the shop won't do this for you that probably means that they only want your money, but don't care if they retain you as a customer. I'd go somewhere else if I were you.

The shop is important--maybe more important that the brand of bike you buy. You need to keep lookinguntil you find the right shop and right bike.