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Uncommon Italian Aluminum options(27 posts)

Uncommon Italian Aluminum optionscollinsc
Oct 1, 2002 10:17 PM
So I want a bike. I want a stiff light bike. And I want it to be italian (just because). I also want it to be MY bike, I dont want to see another three just like it every day.

I am milling over some options. De Rosa Merak or Planet, Pegoretti Fina Estampa. Fondriest Top Level.

can you help me brainstorm other similar bikes to make sure i dont forget something? do you have any experience with some of these (esp. the aluminum Pegorettis, havent heard much of anything about them)?

oh, and onespeed, I know what I should do, just trying to make sure it is the right choice, thx.
Cinelli Starlightsupercorsa
Oct 1, 2002 11:57 PM
I've been on one for about a year now, still haven't seen another. Heck, don't see Cinelli's much anyway, but I've never seen another Starlight. It's a really sweet machine, and came in at 17lb with a straight D-A build, no stupid-light parts whatsoever.

-eric
Viner -- check out Gary Hobbs at . . .Look381i
Oct 2, 2002 1:42 AM
gvhbikes.com

His top alu Viner: http://www.gvhbikes.com/Viner%20T10/11-10-01/56%20T10%20R.jpg
Ditto: check out Gary Hobbs at GVH BikesLeroy
Oct 2, 2002 6:28 AM
I've got to second the recommendation on GVH Bikes. I just bought a caad5 from Gary Hobbs and it was the absolute smoothest transaction I've ever had, bike-wise. The frame was better than advertised. So I'd trust his judgment about the Viner Ital. al frame, too.

Next I've got a steel Gios, an excellent bike, and I would take a long look at the Gios Cinquantenaro now on sale for about $700.00 at Excel Sports. If their al frames are as good as the one I have, you wouldn't go wrong.

Dave Loving
light, stiff and italian? ....... sounds kinda sordidSpirito
Oct 2, 2002 3:12 AM
wilier triestina, cinelli, gios, and ciocc would be some italian names available stateside that i would think of (all can be found for "not crazy money").

italian frames are many - few are imported and distributed here. most are good quality but i am inclined to agree with onespeed in that the de Rosa Merak is about as good as it gets given your requirements (light, stiff, alu italian) but they ain't exactly cheap.

if you have time consider a trip to italy and perouse some smaller frame manufacturers that can be bought for far less than the "biggies" imported here - ill guarantee there are many fine frames that you won't see another of stateside and you could trade for a bog standard 3 year old trek or cannondale (as the italians are mad for them).

if you want a nice ride with an Italian threaded bottom bracket but made in belgium go for a merckx team SC. if you want to save a penny and a marriage buy a Scattante from supergo, some benotto tri-colore bar tape and a Maglio Rosa jersey.

take your time - listen to all advice judiciously. oh ... with all things italian, if you cant make a decision from a shortlist, go with the sexiest - never fails ;-)

ciao
Did you ever give that frame away? nmSintesi
Oct 2, 2002 4:30 AM
Yes .... new owner is a young talent. NmSpirito
Oct 2, 2002 5:18 AM
Excellent.Sintesi
Oct 2, 2002 5:46 AM
When I say the frame it jogged my memory. That was one of the coolest transactions ever. I'm glad you found a good kid. Kudos.
ahhh crap...re: GIOScollinsc
Oct 2, 2002 9:14 AM
goddamnit, even though I posted this looking for more options, I really didnt want the list to get longer.

and it just did.

http://www.gios.it/2003/images/carbon550.jpg
and the real beauty
http://www.gios.it/2003/images/carbonplus550.jpg

f*ck. this is going to be one hell of a decision.

Anybody know about these two frames?
re: Uncommon Italian Aluminum optionsSpunout
Oct 2, 2002 3:40 AM
I've seen the new Cinellis at races, very good looking bikes (still).

Colnago Dream Plus? Can be had for a steal as opposed to the Fondriest.
true ...Spirito
Oct 2, 2002 3:48 AM
a dream plus with a respray in some kinda halfway tastefull and sober paintjob (perhaps 1 color) is a very attractive proposition.

i still don't get what the peep's and 'nago HQ think they are doing with the little rider on the top tube - even jerry garcia would cringe at the tackiness of it.

ciao
interesting...lonefrontranger
Oct 2, 2002 7:29 AM
I actually enjoy the good karma of the little guy on my Dream Cross, believe he keeps me safe from harm :-) I have a hard time getting criticism for tackiness from a gentleman that has the fashion disaster of the century sitting in his living room (yes I am talking about that couch again).

I'm sure you would approve that neither my SO's Reflex nor my new TM11 scheme have the little airbrushed rider on the TT.
LOL ;-) ..... for your eyes onlySpirito
Oct 2, 2002 11:51 AM
of course should you be in NYC you are welcome to come round for tea and sconnes.

after, when you are sick to the gills at the sight of it you can take the merckx for the day to make up for it.

ciao
thanks dearlonefrontranger
Oct 2, 2002 12:30 PM
I would consider taking you up on that if only to prove to you the error of your ways. Sadly I seriously doubt I could fit my vertically challenged bod on the Merckx...

If you are brave enough to peruse the specs on my pending 'nag in my "fantasy build-a-bike" thread, I suppose it could qualify as the ultimate "Anti-Spirito" rig (somewhat like the Antichrist, yes?): Colnago *compact* geometry, aluminum, threadless, Speedplay pedals, carbon rims and fork, weight weenie non-leather saddle, and of course the requisite gaudy 'nag paintjob.

Until then, I suppose a gratuitous shot of my crit bike will have to do... complete with its own lurid pearl metallic fade [evil laugh]

THE MORGUL UNLEASHED:
go for it .... your fantasy bike just makes senseSpirito
Oct 3, 2002 2:43 AM
were i racing (as you are) i wouldnt be the taunting, retro nay-sayer like i make out to be. my riding now is easy and recreational. the merckx is just a reasonably priced low-tech ride that looks good but if course would be a setback even in a cat 5 race. im never foolish enough to think that.

if tomorrow i woke up and thought of pinning #'s to my jersey my bike would read :

either Look 381i, Gios carbon, or DeRosa Merak
record 10 (including pedals and post) with a 42/53 and an 11/23,
selle SLR,
zipp 415 mid-V carbon clincher rims with campy record hubs (both 28H), DT revo's and 14/15 guage spokes,
salsa Ti skewers,
veloflex pave's.
and whatever superlight bar and stem i could find to make certain that it sat close to 17 pounds.

the frames would be chosen on best fit/price/weight ratio and the wheels would be light and a little more reliable/longer lasting than straight 303's which are hard to beat unless you throw down serious cheeze. my LBS built a similar set of wheels for a local rider/racer and he uses them to race, train, the lot with great feedback.

im from OZ originally and we always used to race track as well (not as much of a road or track gap as there is here stateside). lets just say i would covet track shamals and ghibili discs without question depending on which distance or style laps i would be of doing. alu for the track as well but if i could afford a zoot carbon special ..... :-)

not just 8 months ago my ride weighed not much more than 18 lbs and had just 30 spokes, an FSA crankset and was made of beer can Alu. it was a great ride and not in the slightest bit uncomfortable or an eyesore but i set in my mind to build one bike to be able to use and abuse, easily switch it to a fixie/single and even load it up as a tourer and raise that low-tech but long quill stem for an easier riding position (hence 72 spokes, horizontal drop-outs, steel frame and freewheel hubs). it was all about compromise and even though i tend towards light and modern i realised my miles were getting slower in pace and my wants from just the one bike were increasingly varying but limited by my budget.

hence the merckx as its built. of course it has record carbon levers and a record track bottom bracket as a bit of a dig at all the retro purists. very little of it is actually vintage and were i to relace the wheels with cassette hubs i could be current ergo clicking to oblivion. even the frame is made of oversize tubing but its tricky to notice in the pics i posted.

as for vertically challenged and not fitting the merckx for you to use should you visit NYC, i wont have any of that - ive fitted it for a friend just a shade over 5 feet by lowering the saddle, raising the bars and sliding the seat well forward. sure its not a racy fit but is fine for riding around town, getting a few laps in central park and just experiencing the city in a way that i know you would enjoy. if your ever here its here for you.

beleive me - if you think my sofa is tacky you won't want to seen near me with my wonderlust for obscure and gaudy jersey's. take my bike and my cytomax and stay well back.

the bismark is cool and if i dare say we are prolly very similar in that we like our bikes to stand out from the rest. of course why not - a bike is a treasure.

ciao
lol .... :-) (nm)lonefrontranger
Oct 3, 2002 2:52 PM
re: Uncommon Italian Aluminum optionsmackgoo
Oct 2, 2002 5:55 AM
Alan would be another option.
re: Uncommon Italian Aluminum optionsRonC
Oct 2, 2002 6:18 AM
http://www.tommasini.it/eng/home.html

Click on "News" then ""Carbo-Plus bike test".
207.236.27.94RonC
Oct 2, 2002 6:24 AM
re: Uncommon Italian Aluminum options
re: PegorettiBerm
Oct 2, 2002 8:06 AM
I have about 3,500 miles on my Pegoretti Fina Estampa. I bought it this year and think it is a great bike. It replaced my 853 steel frame. The Peg. is more comfortable, more stable, corners better and is a great bike. It even survived a bad crash that resulted in having to cold set the rear triangle almost 3/4." Anything else I can tell you about the bike?
wow - cold set an Al frame 3/4 inch? you can do that? nmPdxMark
Oct 2, 2002 10:14 AM
re: Uncommon Italian Aluminum optionsCT1 Guy
Oct 2, 2002 10:17 AM
There's a review of the Fondriest Top Level in this month's edition of Procycling magazine - gets a pretty good write up except for the ugly extrusion behind the bottom bracket.

If you want really light, you could always go for something made with Deda U2 tubing rather than U107 - only if you weigh less than 160lbs.

DeRosas are the ultimate, but factory orders can take 9-12 months - make sure you want something that someone's got in stock.

Also, check out some of Colnagos new color schemes this year, the NL range are a lot more subtle and less garish - I don't think they're up on any website, but the new dealer catalogs have got all the info. The Dream though isn't the lightest, Ernesto builds them deliberately "heavy"
re: Uncommon Italian Aluminum optionspinarello
Oct 2, 2002 11:08 AM
I bought two DeRosa bikes this year. One was a Merak and the other the King. The Merak's only flaw is it does not have a break away deraileur hanger. But comparing it to the Pinarello Prince which my son has. The lug work is by far cleaner. DeRosa really spent time cleaning up the welds. The Merak comes in about 16 and a quarter pound. It is a 48 compact frame. I do like the compact frame for ride but do not like where it rubs the leg when standing at a light. Efficient is the word for this bike. Built with Campy Record, Eurus wheels, Alien aero post and in the I/team Nova colors this bike gets the looks. If you are looking to get one right away, in stock, give me your E-Mail and I will get you in touch with the company I bought it from in the UK. Catapult
re: Uncommon Italian Aluminum optionsSpoiler
Oct 2, 2002 2:36 PM
http://www.redroseimports.com/rri_moser_b2_s.html

This Italian bike claims to be quite stiff. I've never seen one.
Blocco....O
Oct 2, 2002 2:42 PM
I work in a shop in Mass. A rep from this company brought some samples in. The company is located near Venice. Every bike is custom. They supposedly come with a three year warranty. Although I was too big to really get a sense of the bikes, they seemed (quality wise) pretty special. The phone # that I have from the importer is 617-484-1735. I think that they use many different price points of Aluminum. Please let us know if you get one.
Guerciotti....Ligon
Oct 2, 2002 5:44 PM
I have no experience with there aluminum bikes but have ridden there steel bikes and they are wonderful.

Just a suggestion...
www.guerciotti.it/

Ligon
CramerottiMike P
Oct 3, 2002 3:03 AM
Check out Cramerotti, www.cramerotti.com. I have seen a number of their steel frames and the paint and workmanship is top notch.

Also, not Italian but should be checked out, Cyfac. www.cyfacusa.com.

Mike