|Will someone please explain the fat guys on motorbikes.||Dave Hickey|
Sep 25, 2002 7:38 AM
|I was sitting on the loo this morning reading the current issue of ProCycling. They had an article about track racing where the cyclist are paced? by fat guys riding motorbikes. I believe it's popular in the Netherlands. Just what is the purpose of the motorbikes?|
Sep 25, 2002 7:41 AM
|I haven't seen the article, but it is probably a Derney Race. They were once quite popular, but I believe there is only one left on the race schedule. It is a paced event, and supposedly very brutal.|
|It was called Durney||Dave Hickey|
Sep 25, 2002 7:49 AM
|So it's the motorbike drivers responsibility to keep the rider on his rear wheel? I'm just missing something. How does the driver know if the cyclist can go faster(or slower)?|
|Derny Racing, the sport of champions,||TJeanloz|
Sep 25, 2002 8:55 AM
|Derny racing is yet another cycling discipline that was once hugely popular, and has waned a bit recently. Even big-time pros used to do the derny races, and some were every bit as prestigious as the classics. It is the motorbikes drivers responsibility to keep the pace just high enough that the bicyclist is always running at his sustainable maximum. This is essentially a team event, and drivers get to know their cyclists very well, know how hard they can push them, when to go fast, when to go slow, etc. They communicate either by voice command (the seperation is only a couple of feet) or by hand signal.|
|Thanks. nm||Dave Hickey|
Sep 25, 2002 9:17 AM
|Something to draft off of, thus the fat guys (nm)||Wayne|
Sep 25, 2002 7:41 AM
|All the guys who||Eager Beagle|
Sep 25, 2002 7:42 AM
|are capable of pacing the bikes on a bike are in the race? Or at least they can't find enough cycling pacers to do all the races?
Anyone remember that (I think) 3,000m race a few years back, in the Olmypics I think, where no one wanted to keep with the pace runner - so he just carried on and won it? Brilliant.
|It's called the keirin..||peter1|
Sep 25, 2002 10:00 AM
|It's called the Keirin. In Japan, they actually bet on the riders.
The way it works: The riders (usually 4) start behind the motorcycle (which is equipped with a roller at the rear so the lead cyclist's tire doesn't rub) and the pace is increased from about 15 mph to 27 or so over a few laps. The motorcycle drops off with two laps left and it's balls to the wall for the riders.
It's going to be an Olympic sport next time around; in fact, the first U.S. women's keirin natl. championships were just held at the Lehigh Valley velodrome..
Really exciting because unlike a lot of track races, there's no pussyfooting. The moto-pacing keeps everyone honest...some of the match sprints I've seen have nearly put me to sleep with endless trackstands etc.
There seems to be an airflow advantage to getting right behind the motorcycle.
I don't think the motorcyclists have to be fat, thought...
For me, the keirin and the long Madisons are the best track racing
|Different sport. Here's what I'm talking about||Dave Hickey|
Sep 25, 2002 10:24 AM
|Although, If this is my pace bike. I might learn||Dave Hickey|
Sep 25, 2002 10:26 AM
|If she was on the pace bike..||PaulCL|
Sep 25, 2002 11:11 AM
|..I would follow her as she veered off. Hey! What's more important? A single race or a great view??|
|Sorry, didn't see the photo. ...||peter1|
Sep 26, 2002 6:51 AM
|...thought you meant keirin...yeah, maybe the fat guys are essential. Those look like mopeds to me...|
|You can draft me...that is if you can keep up :-) (NM).||RC51|
Sep 25, 2002 10:24 AM
|The used to something that with tandems / triplets||off roadie|
Sep 25, 2002 10:43 AM
|I've seen pics in books on the history of cycling where they were doing track races with solo riders behind tandems or triplets. Only the solo riders results counted, but the tandem / triplet riders were always part of his team. I think the idea was to let each solo rider easily go at the speed they would be able to achieve with teamwork in a pack, and thus eliminate most of the benefit of "stalling" for a sprint at the end. Some of the races were pretty long- the books even mentioned that the teams would rotate in a fresh pace bike partway through the race.
Sounds like the motorcycles are just a modern spin on the same concept.