|How can you make components theft-proof||ishmael|
Sep 24, 2002 6:00 AM
|You look your bike up, wheels and frame, with a good lock, but all someone needs is a set of allen wrenches and wire cutters and they can take everything else. I was thinking of filling my commuter bikes nuts with tinfoil or something but I dont think it would really work, any advice. Luckily most thieves havent figured this out.|
|weld all components on. nm.||Steve_0|
Sep 24, 2002 6:09 AM
|encase entire bike in lucite...nm||mr_spin|
Sep 24, 2002 6:13 AM
|Well, it helps to have bolt-on wheels.||Alex-in-Evanston|
Sep 24, 2002 6:15 AM
|And a bolt-on seatpost binder. Beyond those, I can't think of a good anti-theft measure other than riding a bike without many components - like a fixed.
|Well, it helps to have bolt-on wheels.||fbg111|
Sep 24, 2002 6:23 AM
|Do you know of any good examples of bolt-on wheels and seat-post binders?|
Sep 24, 2002 6:32 AM
|any wheel in the world with a 10 dollar axle replacement.
Kinda a moot point though, as ishmeal stated he has the wheels covered, and even if they werent, our assumption is that the thief has tools.
|fixed already, but I might upgrade and going to look nice nm||ishmael|
Sep 24, 2002 6:59 AM
Sep 24, 2002 6:38 AM
|Paint 'Suntour' on your components. nm||Spunout|
Sep 24, 2002 6:52 AM
|Argh! Sacrilege! You've defamed Suntour!||scottfree|
Sep 24, 2002 6:58 AM
|actually, its more of a target if you do .... Nm||Spirito|
Sep 24, 2002 7:59 AM
Sep 24, 2002 6:53 AM
|Loctite 270; they will not be able to loosen threads, but then, you won't either! It requires heat to loosen. There are lesser strength Loctites, but then someone could loosen them, defeating the purpose. You might experiment.
|I like it||ishmael|
Sep 24, 2002 7:04 AM
|As long as the heat wont damage the bike I cant see a problem with this idea. I can imagine some knuckle fisted thief shreading my bolt heads in frustration though, and then I guess I'll have to be content with a permenant fixture on my bike. A real "fixie"...hahahauggghhh|
|the heat would be a problem||DougSloan|
Sep 24, 2002 7:08 AM
|Taking a torch to your bike in any location is probably going to do at least some aesthetic damage, like removing paint. I would not do this unless you really want the bolt to be permanent.
Another solution for removal, though, is to drill out the bolts. Time consuming and has its own risks, but completely doable.
Sep 24, 2002 6:59 AM
|Why do you think fixies are so popular?
No components to steal...
|bars,stem,pedals,seat and post,---it is a fixie||ishmael|
Sep 24, 2002 7:01 AM
|I plan to leave it in seedy neighborhoods.|
Sep 24, 2002 7:10 AM
anywhoooo, the seat is easy, just loop a cable through the rail and down to the ulock. Stem you can utilize a precision-cut cable wich attaches to the stem via padlock, through fork, and back up to padlock.
Depending on the pedals, another loop of cable will do it.
Handlebars are tough; cant figure them out. perhaps replacing the barend with a screweye and cement.
All in all not worth it. The boys in the Falls or West of Schuykill see all those cables, its just gonna motivate 'em.
|those cables are like dental floss to cutters, snip nm||ishmael|
Sep 24, 2002 8:35 AM
|if you get braided cable||Steve_0|
Sep 24, 2002 8:45 AM
|its not exactly THAT easy. It can definately be done, but itll take quite a few snips.
Of course, if we're assuming the theif will be investing time disassembling the bike on the street, he will also invest time to cut the cable. But Every barrier helps.
I dont ~think~ the typical West or North streetthug is really intrested in your DA levers or your Cinelli bar; he wants a quick score of a complete bike.
I also dont ~think~ your atypical roadie low-life theif who DOES want your DA or Cinelli will be cruising those neighborhoods to find it, or investing the necessary time in those neighborhoods to obtain it.
I say keep your commuter simple, and in plain sight of foot-traffic. Take your seat with you if need be.
|somebody once stole my bars,stem,forks and headset||pukka|
Sep 24, 2002 8:05 AM
|There are kits you can get||Eager Beagle|
Sep 24, 2002 7:01 AM
|that have key fasteners on the bolts etc - wheels, brakes, seatclamp etc. They would a little like those wheelnuts you get that need a special spanner to remove them.
Of course they are not 100%, put you have to allow for the "makes it easier to pick on another bike" deterrent value.
I'll see if I can find a link...
|oo ooo thats what I want||ishmael|
Sep 24, 2002 7:05 AM
|do they come in ti? I'll take anything actually.|
|Having trouble||Eager Beagle|
Sep 24, 2002 7:19 AM
|finding them on the net - I saw them in a bike store a while back - as I remember, there was 2 skewers, 2 brake mount bolts, a seat clamp bolt, crank bolts, and a derail mount bolt.
Anyone else out there seen one?
BTW - do you have Datatag out there?
|dont know datatag, but I'm going to look for those bolts nm||ishmael|
Sep 24, 2002 8:36 AM
|Datatag is....||Eager Beagle|
Sep 24, 2002 8:42 AM
|an etching, marking and transponder system that is registerd centrally (is used to be run by Yamaha, dunno if it still is).
You get a kit with a unique ID no, etching fluid and stencils and transponders and glue. You mark the bike/boat/car/whatever, glue the transponders (which can be read with a gun) somewhere out of the way (drop them in gule down your BB etc).
You have a visible sticker that shows the would be theif that you are protected, and, hopefully, he steals someone else's bike instead.
here's a link that says all that much better actually :)
It may be that you have an equivalent over there?
|re: How can you make components theft-proof||GTDave|
Sep 24, 2002 7:20 AM
|On the cheap, you could fill the bolt heads with silicon caulk. It would be very time-consuming to remove, but not impossible.
I would think that you might be able to replace your component bolts with Torx heads (readily available,(at very comprehensive hardware stores but not standard bike stuff)
|Interesting to note that......||RickC5|
Sep 24, 2002 8:24 AM
|some Torx head screws can actually be loosened/tightened with an Allen wrench, depending on size/fit, as long as they haven't been tightened too much. I know, I've done it.|
|People have broken into bank vaults.||Spoke Wrench|
Sep 24, 2002 7:29 AM
|Given the time and the technology, your stuff is toast. Whatever protection plan you dream up, if you park in the same place day after day, eventually some thief will figure a way around. In the extream case where a low life is truly frustrated, they'll just trash your bike where it sits so that you can't ride it either.
If you can't keep it with you or at least park it in a secure place, my advice is to minimize it's desirability to thieves. Back in my college days, we used to say that all bikes weigh 40 pounds. You can ride a 20 pound bike and carry a 20 pound lock, or you can ride a 40 pound bike and not bother to lock it.
|but theyre smarter than north philadelphia thieves||ishmael|
Sep 24, 2002 8:40 AM
|If any of them had smarts they'd invest in allen wrenches. I dont leave my bike in the same spot often, but at 2 at night I dont want to have to worry. I know they wont cut the lock, and the rest of the stuff is my only worry.
Riding a 40 pound bike takes the fun out of biking for me. I have to be on the lightest fastest thing at all times.
|whatre you doing||Steve_0|
Sep 24, 2002 8:50 AM
|in the north at 2?
Im assuming youre at school up there; cant you just lock it in front of campus security?
|I'm not there at 2||ishmael|
Sep 24, 2002 10:09 AM
|but I am there, and downtown at 2 at bars occasionally. I plan to move down there so my bike will be outside somewhere a lot.|
|bars are easy...||Steve_0|
Sep 24, 2002 10:32 AM
|just lock as close to the bar as possible. The continual flow of people and occasional bouncer will keep away any trouble.
We used to lock outside the bars downtown all the time. biggest problem i ever had was someone swiped my 'puter (just the 'puter, not the sensor or mount).
Being as that was my last 'puter, I no longer worry about it.
|re: How can you make components theft-proof||spookygeek|
Sep 24, 2002 9:51 AM
|chain it to a rabid dog
|Candle wax? Hard to remove unless you have a lighter.||js5280|
Sep 24, 2002 12:22 PM
|Face it though, they might just kick your spokes in instead. Anything you leave outside is subject to theft or vandalism.|
|Do you have any idea how easy it is to break into a car?||PODIUMBOUNDdotCA|
Sep 24, 2002 5:10 PM
|Given you know the secret way to get into your car if you don't have a car alarm its so easy. I locked myself outta my car a while back and a shop mechanic came out and opened it like that with a simple tool. Bikes are the same thing... if someone really wants to steal it they will. Lock it well, somewhere public and you'll be fine.
|self destruct button, or...||julio|
Sep 24, 2002 7:21 PM
|get decent insurance. After having several friends have their car stereos ripped off, and having a gun pointed at me when we interupted a theft I've realized you're better off with good insurance and a reasonable deductable. A good insurance company will probably replace your stuff with the current years model so you get an upgrade.
Or spray paint it pink and hope the theif is male..