|Ever been doored? I have....||tronracer|
Sep 16, 2002 4:40 AM
|Saturday night on South street in Philly. I was coasting(well not coasting on the track bike, but going pretty slow @ 8 or 9 mph) down South street on my way to grab a bite to eat. Traffic is at a standstill as a vehicle was being searched in the middle of the street a few blocks down. Riding in between parked cars to my left and one lane of traffic to my right. It was perfect... no time to react. I make it a habit to continuously look in parked cars to stop if needed, but this was a tinted windows, ghetto tricked cruiser with white letters reading, "Lashanda's ride," on the rear window. I couldn't see inside. I hit the door and my bike went vertical with front wheel on the ground and seat hitting my back. I hunched over the door and felt it bend a bit. The back wheel slammed the car of the door that opened. Luckily, I managed to depart relatively unscathed. A few scrapes and scratches, ripped bar tape and a ruined sneaker. The doorer actually had the gall to ask me, "didn't you see me open the door?" I said, "how could I miss it...it was 2ft away." The bike's okay...YIPEE!!! The side of the car was a bit scrathed however...so in this bike/car encounter, the bike won! I'm not riding safely? Flame away...|
|re: Ever been doored? I have....||rbb|
Sep 16, 2002 4:54 AM
|Congratulations!!! Hope you screwed their door up!!
So, you're from Philly, huh? I live in Levittown(northeast of the city) and race for RC-Cola who are based in Philly.
You know Jed or Altay??
|re: Ever been doored? I have....||tronracer|
Sep 16, 2002 5:01 AM
|Yup, I'm from Philly...I go to Drexel and race for the Drexel cycling team. Don't know Jed or Altay though.|
|In the 70's, drexel cyclists all||Steve_0|
Sep 16, 2002 5:46 AM
|'donated' their bicycles to the local MOVE chapter.
Ramona had some nice rides back then.
|Surely, you're not suggesting I donate my bicycle....||tronracer|
Sep 16, 2002 7:13 AM
|Why did you put donated in quotes?
What is the MOVE chapter?
Who is Ramona?
What drugs were the Drexel cyclists doing in the 70's to make them donate their bikes?
|sorry, assummed you grew up in philly....||Steve_0|
Sep 16, 2002 7:19 AM
|i quotated 'donated' because it was unwilling on the part of the donors.
ask any of your old-school profs about Romona Afrika and MOVE.
Sep 16, 2002 7:22 AM
|specifically mention 'Osage Avenue'.|
Sep 16, 2002 7:39 AM
|I did grow up in Philly, never heard of the MOVE chapter though. I grew up in South Philly and I was lucky enough being an Italian kid in Philly to not fall into the Guido movement=)|
Sep 16, 2002 7:51 AM
|Ramona Afrika was (prettymuch) the head of the anti-government MOVE group. Amongst other things, they were prettymuch neighborhood thugs, subsisting via mugging Drexel and Penn students.
Back in (oh, maybe) 1985, things came to a head when police tried serving them a warrent at their fortress on Osage Avenue. Nice little automatic gunfight ensued.
Long story short, police finally decided to burn down Osage Avenue to end it (imagine Waco, long before waco, but in West philly).
Ramona one of just a few survivors. She still pokes her head out now and then.
Cant believe you've never heard of MOVE.
|I see said the blind man....||tronracer|
Sep 16, 2002 7:53 AM
|So I heard about the "fortress of solitude," on Osage avenue and how Mayor Goode burned the block down. Sounds like a group of bums who wanted a free place to live to me. That it in a nutshell?|
|Thats putting it mildly.||Steve_0|
Sep 16, 2002 7:55 AM
|re: Ever been doored? I have....||MJ|
Sep 16, 2002 4:58 AM
|unlike our suburban compatriots - urban riders often ride through stalled/stopped traffic - obviously oit needs to be done at a speed which is controllable and safe - obviously you have to squeeze through gaps which are safe
but the practicalities of riding in an urban environment mean that things will happen and you will not have time to react no matter how in control or 'right' you are - there are two kinds of riders - those who have fallend and those that will fall
glad you were ok - be careful
did you ask Lashanda if they used their mirror before opening their door and what they thought the likely consequences might have been if you'd been a motrocycle, or a bus?
|re: Ever been doored? I have....||tronracer|
Sep 16, 2002 5:06 AM
|I asked her if she looked in her mirror before she opened her door into traffic. Instead of answering, she asked me if I saw the door open. When I caught a glimpse of all the damage to her car, I said nevermind...have a nice night. That was enough satisfaction for me.|
|passengers are even worse than drivers about using mirrors||kenyee|
Sep 16, 2002 5:16 AM
|Glad you're ok. There was no way you could have avoided it and I've seen an incident like that happen even when the cyclist was on the left side of the parked car (driver didn't look in mirror).
Hope the passenger learned a lesson. If not, Lashanda will give her a lecture, I'm sure :-)
|re: Ever been doored? I have....||JL|
Sep 16, 2002 5:21 AM
|Sounds like Lashanda didn't look in her mirror before opening the door. Glad you're OK.
As for riding on South Street on a Saturday night, I would try a different route. Every time I go down there, which isn't often, it's hard enough to walk around with cars cruising and busy sidewalks. I think I'd feel like a pinball bouncing around avoiding cars and people on a bike. Maybe I'm just getting old too (horrors).
Sounds like you're riding safe, just (to me) not the safest place to ride. But hey, you're younger than I am and probably do it all the time. I'm glad you and the bike are OK and good luck at Drexel.
|Woman in Cambridge Ma got Killed By getting Doored||Maartin|
Sep 16, 2002 5:40 AM
|About a month ago. It was on the board. Got doored and then run over ....... tragic|
|Yes, I'm very lucky....||tronracer|
Sep 16, 2002 6:39 AM
|I remember that, very sad.
For the last two weeks, I had a friend stay with me. I had an extra bike for her to ride, but I had to ride at her pace. No biggie, but when she left I went a little crazy speeding around. The first night back in my groove, I managed to crash trying to avoid the trolley rails as I tried to turn off the street so I wouldn't have to deal with said trolley rails. Bike was fine. ME:scrapes and scratches, nothing major. No one crashes better than me.
Forgot to mention this near miss...*&&^#%&(*^#(*&^#)*&^$#*@@(#*&$& this one pissed me off more than anythingl;. they opened the door slammed it, then opened it again apparantly trying to hit me as I heard their obnoxious laughing as I swerved out of the way. I would've stopped and said something, but it was a bunch of sistas in a ford explorer with really big and ugly guys and I was alone. Apparantly, everyone in the car thought it was funny.
Here's a pic of me and my friend...its the only pic I have of myself at work....If you see me in Philly, say hi. I'll be on a black Bianchi Pista.
|Yes, I'm very lucky....||rbb|
Sep 16, 2002 8:22 AM
you should join me and my team on weekend rides we do out of the art museum usually @9ish. Let me know if you're ever interested, my email is firstname.lastname@example.org
Do you race just road? I race road,cyclo-x and my main concern is track. Again, let me know if you're ever interested- the more the merrier!!
|Thanks for the offer....||tronracer|
Sep 16, 2002 9:27 AM
|I race mtb's...My road bike is a retro ride, De Rosa w/ Super Record components, not exactly a superlightracer, but hey I'm a college student. Plus my mtb is the expensive one in the stable. I have a Bianchi Pista track bike that I use for city riding, but I'm looking into switching it out for a real track bike. I'm building it up from scratch assuming I get a nice deal at Trexlertown. This weekend is the Vermont race for the collegiate series so I won't be around. When you leave the art museum, do you go down west river drive, into manyunk and through the bike path to valley forge? What's the route? I'd like to join you guys soon.|
|Thanks for the offer....||rbb|
Sep 16, 2002 9:36 AM
|Sounds great! Good luck this weekend!
I believe the route we take is down west river, through manayunk, and either out valley forge way or sometimes out roxborough/norristown way. Again, email me and I'll find out the specifics for that weekend in which you want to join us. There is usually 3-4 of us, begining of the season we had more but since it September and everyone is tired and involved in their lives it's hard to get everyone together. Anyways, if you're planning on going up to T-town I'll be there selling some stuff, they is always a good deal to be had at the flea market!! Later
Sep 16, 2002 5:46 AM
|In the mid-70s, riding my Motobecane Mirage (may it rest in peace) down an urban street alongside a line of parked cars on my right. Even though I was already in the habit of looking at the drivers' seats this time I got careless.
The guy opened his door and I hit it at about 18mph. This was before helmets and I went over the door and badly scraped my forehead and right shoulder. I figure hitting my head first saved me from a broken shoulder.
The driver was most apologetic and paid for fixing the pretzled wheel and bent forks. I had a headache but otherwise recovered well - although my wife blames a lot of my foibles on that head smack.
My guiding word is visibility. I never - never - expect a driver to do anything rational. I make mistakes and they make mistakes too. Only occasionally will I pass a line of cars on the right and then only when I'm sure I'm very, very visible.
|Never, EVER pass on the left!!!...nm..:)||mr_spin|
Sep 16, 2002 8:17 AM
|What difference does it make?||tronracer|
Sep 16, 2002 9:43 AM
|There are cars parked on the right, cars parked on the left, and one lane of traffic in the middle. Sometimes you ride on the right, sometimes on the left, sometimes in the middle depending on where there's enough room to get by. As one poster pointed out, city riding and suburban riding are two VERY different things and you must act accordingly. There are NO rules set in stone and rules are made to be broken. To quote Bruce Lee, "you must be like water." You have to flow through the streets and through cars like you are one with the road like some sort of a kung fu cyclist. Don't pass on the left? I say Phooey.|
|nicely put Mr Lee - nm||MJ|
Sep 16, 2002 11:56 PM