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Another shot....how's this deal? :)(22 posts)

Another shot....how's this deal? :)Kunfoochi
Sep 13, 2002 11:40 AM
Ok, let me try again. First off, how does Giant compare to Trek? There was a lot of steam when I had this discussion at my LBS. They badmouthed both Campy and Giant, saying that Dura Ace/Ultegra are much better than Record, and that Trek is much better than Giant.

Here's what he told me.....

Trek 5200-$2200
Trek 5500-$$2400-2500

Are these prices any good? I've been thinking about buying used here, but I'd much rather have the comfort of a warranty, knowing exactly what I'm getting, and knowing it will fit just right. So knowing that I'd like new, even if it'll cost me a few more bucks, are these prices competetive, or if not, what are they?

Thanks
Let me guess, the shop sells Treks not Giants...Dave Hickey
Sep 13, 2002 11:46 AM
And they don't sell Campy equipment. Just a guess.
Let me guess, the shop sells Treks not Giants...Kunfoochi
Sep 13, 2002 11:55 AM
Actually, they sell both Trek and Giant, and there is a good amount of Record stuff under their counter.

Anyway, I just got off the phone with them and here's the deal they're offering me....

A 5200 frame with full Ultegra, and my choice of either Mavic Open Pros or Velocity Comps for $2100. Didn't sound like an amazing deal to me, but let me know.

Thanks
Let me guess, the shop sells Treks not Giants...outofthesaddle
Sep 13, 2002 12:11 PM
I agree - $2100 for 5200 with OP or Velocity Comps doesn't sound like a great deal (not horrible though).

Better deal sounds like 5500 for $2400. You get DA and can upgrade wheels (from Bontrager Race Lites) when you get around to it.
Why not the OEM wheels?filtersweep
Sep 13, 2002 1:14 PM
Frankly, at my LBS you can buy a new 2001 5200 for $2000, and a 2002 for maybe $2400 and a 2003 for full retail (it stinks). The 5500 is a deal that you posted- but why the odd wheels (not that Rolf or Bontragers are incredible) but what happened to them? Have they swapped out other parts as well? A 2003 for $2100 is a good deal around here.
Why not the OEM wheels?Kunfoochi
Sep 13, 2002 5:39 PM
It's a 2001 Frame, and they're taking all of the parts off of another new bike....
re: Another shot....how's this deal? :)aliensporebomb
Sep 13, 2002 12:13 PM
Which Giant are they comparing to the Treks you have listed?

What didn't they like about them?
re: Another shot....how's this deal? :)Kunfoochi
Sep 13, 2002 12:22 PM
They kind of withdrew the 5500 for $2400, they don't have my size and can't get it....they offered me what I stated in my other post, a 5200 with Velocity Comps and Ultegra for $2100. They were comparing Giants in general to Treks in general. Why is it that the Giant bikes are so much cheaper, by the way? I think I may just go for the TCR one for $1600? Is that a good deal? If not, what is?

Thanks
re: Another shot....how's this deal? :)McAndrus
Sep 13, 2002 12:59 PM
- Why are Giant bikes so much cheaper? Tjeanloz is much better at bike industry economics than I am but I'll take a shot. 1) Aluminum is a cheaper material to work with the monocoque carbon, 2) Giant has huge production capacity and may be able to get economies of scale that Trek cannot, 3) Giant is not (yet) a prestige brand like Trek, Pinarello, etc. and so does not command a perception premium, 4) Giant frames have a reputation for good quality but limited lifetimes.

By the way, I own two Giants and have ridden many Treks. I have put something like 10,000 miles on the older Giant and it's not showing any signs of fatigue (though some days I do).

As you probably already know, Treks have a carbon road feel (quiet, muted road buzz) while Giants feel like aluminum: livelier and a tad more harsh. The Trek 52-5500s and Giant TCRs are excellent racing frames.

Treks are great bikes but when it came to spending my own money I went with a Giant and I'm happy with the decision.
actually, most GIants come with Shimano,weiwentg
Sep 13, 2002 12:22 PM
but there's absolutely nothing wrong with Giant or Campy.
however, the price on the 5500 is good, as someone else said.
Do I recall that you are 15 y/o?jtolleson
Sep 13, 2002 12:28 PM
and presumably still growing? Like a new car, the value of a spectacular new bike definitely plummets once you own it and use it. If you can't assume that you'll get a few years out of the bike, then any of these new steeds are no bargain.

For $1000 used you can get a low miles Ultegra or Chorus-equipped steel, al, cf, even ti bike, ride it for 1-2 seasons 'til you outgrow it, and it still might be worth $500. You drop $2200 on a new bike and you'll be lucking to get 1/2 that in two years.
Agree, another reason Giant might not be a bad optionDave Hickey
Sep 13, 2002 12:36 PM
Giants S,M,L,XL sizing might be better for someone who is growing. It's cheaper to raise the seatpost and buy a new stem if you grow a little.
I said the same thing last time aroundgtx
Sep 13, 2002 4:53 PM
I bought my first good bike at age 15 and proceeded to get a new bike just about every year for the next six years. It's way too much to spend on a first bike at that age! You're young, you're growing, and you don't know what you want.
New angle... Since you're 15 and probably growing...Fez
Sep 13, 2002 3:08 PM
Get something like a nice Cannondale Caad5 setup built up with great parts and wheelset. GVH bikes gets good reviews, and an Ultegra CAAd5 bike is at a great price. No I don't know him, but I hear he is a good person to buy from.

For today, that Cannondale will be a great bike. And the beauty is when you outgrow it, buy another frameset from Gary or whoever and pay him or an LBS $75 to swap out the frame.

If you don't like Cannondale, he sells plenty of other frames.
New angle... Since you're 15 and probably growing...Kunfoochi
Sep 13, 2002 6:03 PM
Something like this?

http://www.gvhbikes.com/specials.html

Which is a better deal, the Viner competition bike for $1295 or the CAAD5 for $1350? How does the CAAD5 compare to the Giant TCR/Trek Carbon frames? What about the Raleigh R700 Bicycle for $995?

Thanks
New angle... Since you're 15 and probably growing...Tenny24
Sep 13, 2002 7:53 PM
"Why are Giants so cheap?"

I think a better question to ask is why are Treks so damn expensive :)
Over the whole line, you have to watch the parts spec with GiantSpoke Wrench
Sep 14, 2002 7:37 AM
They use a lot of parts like Formula hubs and Chenowith bottom brackets (I used to call them Chernoble) that don't hold up very well. The shop that I used to work in sold approximately equal numbers of Trek and Giant bikes, but we had about 3 times the warranty issues with Giant.
Over the whole line, you have to watch the parts spec with GiantKunfoochi
Sep 14, 2002 12:42 PM
Well, I'm focusing on the Raliegh R700 now for $1000, so what do you think about that bike?
Not so bad.Spoke Wrench
Sep 16, 2002 1:22 PM
It seems like they used to step down a group on bottom brackets, but they were at least Shimano parts. I know they used to use Shimano hubs and CXP 21 rims, but I had to pull the tires on every single one that I sold and replace those crappy plastic rim strips.
Fez got it rightfitzpb
Sep 13, 2002 8:42 PM
Go with a Cannondale CAAD5 and call it a day. The bike is light, reponsive, and will retain its value after two years. I bought an old R600 2.8 (pre-CAAD) two years ago that was already used for 2 years for $500. I recently sold it for $500 and did not invest a single penny into the bike with the exception of a $40 bike computer. Talk about a sound investment...
Fez got it rightKunfoochi
Sep 14, 2002 7:00 AM
Here's a repost of my last post with my question...

Something like this?
http://www.gvhbikes.com/specials.html

Which is a better deal, the Viner competition bike for $1295 or the CAAD5 for $1350? How does the CAAD5 compare to the Giant TCR/Trek Carbon frames? What about the Raleigh R700 Bicycle for $995?

I'm starting to lean towards the Raleigh, I actually spoke to GVH yesterday on AIM, he told me that the Caad 5 with Ultegra and the Raleigh R700 were of equal values, but the Raleigh is almost $400 cheaper.
get the Raleigh if it will fitgtx
Sep 14, 2002 12:47 PM
that's one heck of a deal--should be perfect for you if it will fit, though I suspect it might be a tad small. Measure the hell out of yourself and have Gary size you. If the Raleigh fits, that would be hard to beat. Otherwise I like the Viner, though the Cdales are nice, too. Good luck!

here's some fit info

http://www.coloradocyclist.com/bikefit/