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How far does Cipo ride in the Vuelta? or does he finish?...(18 posts)

How far does Cipo ride in the Vuelta? or does he finish?...Djudd
Sep 10, 2002 2:27 PM
Seems doubtful he will ride to finish but maybe he will surprise everyone and actually compete for a points jersey..what do you think?
re: How far does Cipo ride in the Vuelta? or does he finish?...No_sprint
Sep 10, 2002 2:34 PM
He has already come out and made a public statement saying that he will not finish the Vuelta.
re: How far does Cipo ride in the Vuelta? or does he finish?...allezrider
Sep 10, 2002 2:43 PM
He has said that he is at the vuelta to prepare for the world championship. and I gotta say he is looking in top form for that competition. He wouldn't finish the vuelta and take the chance of losing his legs for the worlds.
He said...Wayne
Sep 11, 2002 3:54 AM
he'd race for another week and then pull out as long as he still feels good. Points jersey is going to be a fight between Petacchi and Zabel unless they get washed away by a climber.
The big question is does Ballerini pick the best Italian riders for the worlds, who have shown consistently that they can't work together and even sabotage each other, or pick a team that can control the race and lead Mario out.
Imagine a Fagnini, Lombardi, Petacchi lead-out for Cipo. They could start sprinting at the 1k mark and pull-off every 250 meters, no body could come around that!
Highly doubtfulpmf1
Sep 11, 2002 3:55 AM
Has he ever finished a grand tour? Come on, the guy always cherry picks the first few stages, garners some wins and heads to the beach when everyone else heads for the mountains.

I bet after next year when his total Giro stage wins become a record, he retires. If Coast made me wear that goofy outfit, I would.
He finished the Giro and won the points jersey...Wayne
Sep 11, 2002 3:59 AM
this year and he's finished plenty of other GT's. He won't head to the beach, he'll be training for worlds. Is he going to Coast next year? That's the first I've heard of that, I thought there were some big car sponsers or something that might be taking over A&S?
Highly doubtfulda cyclist
Sep 11, 2002 7:42 PM
Too bad cipo doesn't ride for Coast...
Vuelta site says he will pull-out on Sunday (nm)Wayne
Sep 11, 2002 4:04 AM
Why can he be so fast a sprinter but not a climber ?Maartin
Sep 11, 2002 5:35 AM
Is it just that sprinters are heavier ? Why can some cyclists be both but others like Cipo just specialize in flats ?
I suspect he is a better climber than any of us.MB1
Sep 11, 2002 5:48 AM
But of course he is not as good a climber as the specialists and all-rounders and unlikely to ever compete for the overall victory in a major stage race.

That being the case he is correct to save himself for the stages he can win rather than blow himself out just to finish 30 places higher in a climbers stage.
Name one...Wayne
Sep 11, 2002 5:49 AM
top sprinter who is also a top climber. Hard to do both well because being a top sprinter is about your absolute power production over about a 10 sec. stretch. This in part is dependent on your size (look at track sprinters for example), whereas climbing is about a your sustainable power to weight ratio. Also, don't underestimate someone like Cipo on shortish climbs, he's gotten himself over the climbs in MSR and no doubt with the right attitude could have probably won a Tour of Flanders at some point in his career.
Laurent Jalabert ....One....Spunout
Sep 11, 2002 9:05 AM
No credit...Wayne
Sep 11, 2002 9:20 AM
Ja Ja was a top sprinter at one point in his career (many eons ago) and then became a top time-triallist and never has really been the sprinter he was (when did he last win a bunch sprint?).
He has NEVER been a top climber, he has tried to be a top climber and always failed. That's why he only ever won one grand tour and never the TdF. He was the KOM at the tour by going on day long breaks and eating up the points but he probably wasn't even in the top 20 climbers if they all started together at the bottom and raced to the top of a climb.
Classica San Sebastien..was it a sprint, climb, or TT??Spunout
Sep 11, 2002 10:37 AM

Jalabert takes his second Clasica San Sebastian
By Jeff Jones

Laurent Jalabert
Photo: © AFP

In almost a carbon copy of last year's race, Laurent Jalabert (CSC-Tiscali) won the Clasica San Sebastian for the second time. Last year, after attacking on the final climb of the Alto de Jaizkibel, Jalabert outsprinted Francesco Casagrande and Davide Rebellin in San Sebastian. This year, he attacked on the Jaizkibel in pursuit of Andrei Kivilev, catching the Cofidis rider and forming a group of six over the top. At the finish he was clearly faster than Igor Astarloa (Saeco) and Gabriele Missaglia (Lampre).

I guess it was just one big long time trial then.
yeah, butmr_spin
Sep 11, 2002 1:44 PM
Earlier that day, Jalabert climbed out of bed and sprinted to the bathroom.

Most races have climbs. If more than one guy is there at the finish line, there will be a sprint. That doesn't make anyone a climber or a sprinter!
yeah, but...okay, okaySpunout
Sep 11, 2002 2:55 PM
Alright then. My point is, that Cipolini is 25 minutes back after the first mountain. He can't climb. Jalabert a much more balanced athlete. HE'll break alone and TT for 130K, climb with the best, and if anyone is left, has a sprint.
The correct description of Jalabert is...Wayne
Sep 12, 2002 9:44 AM
he was a one time top sprinter converted to a top time-trialist who is now a strong rouleur with a good sprint!
No, it was a hard course with a significant climb towards...Wayne
Sep 12, 2002 9:42 AM
the end. Jalabert, a good climber, was the best sprinter out a bunch of other good climbers (Casagrande is probably the only one considered a top climber), that doesn't make him a top sprinter nor a top climber.