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Mgmt not allowing bikes at work, need help(19 posts)
|Mgmt not allowing bikes at work, need help||dealy663|
Sep 10, 2002 8:06 AM
Today I was informed that our buildings property management has arbitrarily decided that those of us who commute to work cannot bring our bikes in the building. I know that people having been commuting to work here on their bikes for at least a year now.
I'm going to try to get a meeting with the property manager that has made this decision. I was hoping some of you here might have some ideas for arguments that might be useful in getting this person to change their minds.
Anyone know of any successful campaigns with other property managers?
|any reasons given?||DougSloan|
Sep 10, 2002 8:11 AM
|I'd find out the concerns -- space, muddy tire tracks on the carpet, liability...?
Maybe consider lockers or some sort of secure area?
I doubt ecological concerns will convince the management.
You might try to see your employer's lease to see if there is any restriction; without a restriction, you may well have a right to bring the bike in just like any other piece of personal property. Will your employer back you?
|Find out the real reason.||triple shot espresso|
Sep 10, 2002 8:14 AM
|It's easy to assume that the decision is arbitrary but it rarely is. Talk to the people in charge, they may have concerns about black marks from tires in hallways, inappropriate parking of bikes in lobbies or the blocking of exits and ways to an exit. Propose a set of rules that you and your fellow commuters would voluntarily comply with and enforce.|
|League of American Bicyclists says||Tig|
Sep 10, 2002 8:15 AM
|Why Support Bicycle Commuters?
More parking spaces for your car-driving customers.
A cleaner environment is a cheaper place to do business.
Supporting bike commuters will earn you a loyal, healthy clientele.
You might be able to dig up more on their website.
|A couple of ideas......||Dave Hickey|
Sep 10, 2002 8:27 AM
|Is there a loading dock in the building? How about a parking garage? Maybe the management company will let you store bikes somewhere indoor.|
|Get the policy on paper.||onespeed|
Sep 10, 2002 8:31 AM
|Then go to work on finding a way around it. The management and the workers who enforce the policy are always in conflict. I had a similar situation in a building I used to work in. The management told me I could not bring my bike into the building. I had to find a way around it.
This consisted of breaking my bike down everyday and bringing it in piece by piece. I would lock it in front and go up to my office. I had wheel bags at work that I would load up every day. The policy stated a "bicycle," I was only bringing in wheels. Then I would go down with a huge box that I would put the frame in and take it up with me. As long as the workers couldnt identify a bike, they were all right with it. Once they were on camera letting a bike come into the building, they were in trouble.
Play these games, and they will probably get tired of making you do this. Then again, maybe they wont.
My boss used to bring his dog into work with him. One day they told him it was no longer possible. So he went out and got himself a seeing eye dog harness. He would come to work with the dog, dark glasses and a newspaper rolled up under his arm. The management finally rescinded the policy.
|lol. clever solution. nm.||fbg111|
Sep 10, 2002 10:05 AM
|what i did||ColnagoFE|
Sep 10, 2002 8:47 AM
|when i was commuting and we were moving i requested a small bike room off the back entrance. we had to carry bikes up a flight of stairs, and it was a fight to get it built, but it happened and we had a great indoor storage for our bikes and since it was by the back door nobody had to see us trudging bikes throught the office or getting the carpet dirty. we also had lockers and a shower.|
Sep 10, 2002 9:12 AM
|I work in a downtown highrise. When my firm came into the building, we asked about the bike policy -- there was none (however, we do not have anything in our lease about bikes one way or the other). About three months ago, the building management began raising questions about bikes coming into the building. Where we stand now is that bikes can only come in through the loading dock and come up into the building on the freight elevator. This is a pain, but I understand the building's not wanting bikes on the elevator during periods of high usage. This is something that you may want to suggest. Also, I carry my bike when it is in the building -- thus, no track marks.
A friend of mine who works in a neighboring building was told by the management of his building that the building's insurance policies would not allow bikes in the building. I have seen a fair amount of insurance policies and never have seen a bike exclusion. Given the carts and other wheeled things that vendors and the building management use when they are bringing things into the building, I harly think that bikes are any more dangerous for the building.
|You could try...||Eager Beagle|
Sep 10, 2002 9:17 AM
|A chunky tyre wheel spinning bunny hop over and over on the guy's throat.
Probably wouldn't work, but you might feel a whole lot better...
|a course of action ...||WhoWasThat|
Sep 10, 2002 12:06 PM
|Find an ally in upper management of your own company--one who has the ear of someone in the property management office. Explain to your ally that cycling improves the health of the workforce, which results in lower use of health insurance and days lost due to illness.
It also allows the company to become more of a good corporate citizen in terms of the environment and employee quality of life. Do a bit of research, and cite other companies, perhaps competitors in your industry if that matters, that have more enlightened cycling policies.
Do this stuff informally, without writing anything down if you can. You can always start your letter campaign when you've exhausted the more human types of negotiation.
Be reasonable, not shrill or self-righteous. Don't mouth off to the people who stop you from bringing your bike in. As far as security guards and their ilk go, these folks have so little real authority that if you challenge them, they'll assert what little they have, which is enough to keep your rig out of the building.
In the course of being reasonable, ask what the objections are to your bike and try to satisfy them. (Such objections are rarely reasonable, and you'll subtly expose their stupidity) Offer to carry your bike, go up the freight elevator, use the loading dock, etc.
Good luck, and let the board know what happens.
Sep 10, 2002 1:54 PM
|We moved into a new building earlier this summer, and were told that bikes aren't allowed in the building. A number of people, including our group's manager, are cyclists with nice-ish bikes, so that was a pretty big deal. We've been fighting with the building mgmt all summer to put in bike lockers, or let us park bikes somewhere inside, but they haven't budged. Their excuse is that there are bike racks outside, monitored by video cameras; but whenever anything has happened they said the cameras "weren't working".
After several incidents of theft and vandalism (one theft and a few slashed tires) our manager told us to go ahead and bring our bikes inside, being careful not to track dirt on the carpet, and if anyone complains to send them to him.... that was last week, we'll see how it goes!
|re: Mgmt not allowing bikes at work, need help||UncleMoe|
Sep 10, 2002 3:06 PM
|Our building management has a policy against bikes as well. As HR managers change, our internal enforcement changes. Some have been strict, soem lenient - as is the current director.
I can say the reasons for our building policy is strictly firecode. Regardless of where you put the bike, it could potentially be become an obstruction.
Look into asking proprty management to buy bike lockers and ofset the cost of by renting them. After X number of years they should be paid off. I was lucky enough to get one here so I don't have to deal with the policy. They take up zero parking spaces as they are set-up near elevators and stuff. 4 bike lockers take up the the size of on regular size parking space. I wish I had the name of the company that makes them.
They are basically large wooden boxes with a door and basic lock. I can't imagine they cost more than $1000 for a 4 bike locker. If people paid $5 a month, thats $60 a year. They would be paid off in 4 years. If I had to, I'd pay $5 a month for mine.
Or spin the less traffic argument and maybe they will outright buy them.
|re: Mgmt not allowing bikes at work, need help||meteo2|
Sep 10, 2002 5:27 PM
|Check League of Am. Bikes or a couple lawyers, re sueing the mgmt company on the claim of "EQITABLE ESTOPPAL" [(check the spelling; there may be two S's and only one P)] The idea is that they had the opportunity to prohibit the bikes for a long time, failed to do so, therefore under that principle of common law, they have lost the option to stop the practice now. It may at least force them to provide secure storage. |
Also, your own mgmt may want to facilitate lower health expenses through higher fitness and more employees more easily commuting to work by bike, as well as better morale.
|How can tires be dirtier than shoe soles? (nm)||Breakfast|
Sep 11, 2002 6:46 AM
|Request larger parking space for Ford Excursion. - nm||grzy|
Sep 11, 2002 1:36 PM
|Then lock the bikes in the SUV||Skip|
Sep 11, 2002 4:47 PM
|You could also keep a Trico (sp) box at work; place the bike inside & haul it up the elevator.|
|Maybe take up 2 primo spots also? -nm||grzy|
Sep 11, 2002 7:17 PM
|Park a big beater car in the garage as bike storage...||teamsloppy|
Sep 11, 2002 8:44 PM
|I work in an office building (in Walnut Creek, CA) with a similar policy - no bikes on elevators (and the stairways are locked until you ride the elevator to at least the 3rd floor). Security will not let a bicycle pass the first floor. No freight elevators.
They have some sleazy bike racks out on the back of the complex (with your usual abanonded and stripped bicycles) that management claimed was the correct bicycle parking solution. My f'ing management would not bat for me.
I got a automobile parking pass to park in the garage ($150 / year). I parked a 1972 Ford Pinto, in the garage; Purchased for this purpose, due to the ability to fit the bike and cost: $650. I almost bought a 1984 Isuzu Trooper for the $850. I ride my bike every day now. I put my bike in the 72 Pinto (the bike fits, on its side and the Pinto has not left the garage in 2 years). At lunch, I move the Pinto around the garage.