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The europeans have it right - no posers there(20 posts)

The europeans have it right - no posers therelanternrouge
Sep 9, 2002 6:13 AM
They love cycling.
They support cycling.
They have no qualms about showing this by wearing pro team cycling jerseys.
There don't give a rip about up-tight american clothing nazis.

I am glad to see anyone wearing any team jersey or even a full team outfit - at the very least they are supporting cycling. I will give all them a hearty wave.

I don't care whether they are a recreational cyclist or a serious racer - they are supporting cyclists and that is what matters to me. I cheer for each and every one of you.

Viva la poseurs - the more there are the better it will be for all cyclists and cycling. I raise a glass and toast your flushed cheeks and fleshy a$$es - we need more advocates like you. (I will only complain when you start appearing regularly in beer commercials.)

Take a hike all you clothing fascists.
Sep 9, 2002 6:24 AM
I think there is far less "conspicuous consumption" in Europe... people drive vehicles longer (and take better care of them), are less likely to project a gawdiness in how they dress (in general), and own their bikes for a much longer time than most Americans... and can commute on a bike without being marginalized by co-workers, or stereo-typed as having a DWI or whatever. If you want to see an antique roadshow of commuter bikes, go to Amsterdam (or Paris, or any other major city).

Bottom line: I think Americans are generally very hung up on appearances.

However, "when in Rome..."- you can't change the fact that perceptions are different in the US. Several years ago I received a huge promotion at work, and the company's owner actually told me to buy a different car! (rather than the post-college hand-me-down $500 beater I was driving) Hey, I finally could afford to.
"conspicuous consumption"Steve_0
Sep 9, 2002 6:55 AM
I verymuch agree with your statements; I think a lot can be learned by our society (of excess) if more Americans spent some time outside their SUVs and explored some 3rd-world, or even developing nations.

Its amazing how happy people can be without $50k cars, 6000 sq ft houses, or even 5 bicycles. Regardless of income.
Europeans "own their bikes for a much longer time"lanternrouge
Sep 9, 2002 6:58 AM
I have seen 20 yr old frames in excellent condition. I had a discussion with a fellow in Austria about this very subject. He commented on how Europeans maintain their equipment and tend to upgrade the components but keep the frame.

At the same time - take the pic of Matteo - full team gear and bike. Sweet. Bella, Matteo. I raise my glass to you buddy.
Nice bike - nice kit [nm]Leroy
Sep 9, 2002 9:47 AM
I think Europeans generally treat their belongings.......RickC5
Sep 9, 2002 10:54 AM
with greater respect than the average American. I can't say why, maybe a cultural thing, or maybe they had to pay more for something up front, but I've noticed that the French, Germans and English (places I've visited) will take meticulous care of their autos and bikes, etc. while the average American seems to have a minimal interest in maintaining their belongings, no matter how much something might cost.
Americans dont have TIME to take care of their belongings..Steve_0
Sep 9, 2002 11:38 AM
we're all to busy buying new cars and bikes to cater to such triviality.
Sep 9, 2002 1:18 PM
You got me with that one!

Indeed, this disrespect for, or lack of interest in, our "stuff" has its roots in the disposable society we have taken such care to develop over the last 50 years or so: "If it breaks, or starts to look funky, or isn't the latest technology, just get a new one".
Something else tooEager Beagle
Sep 9, 2002 6:33 AM
It's generally cheaper to buy team issue kit than not. I can (just did in fact) get a whole set of last year's AKI team kit - really good quality Nanlini stuff - for about 1/2 the price of a quality "generic" shirt.

So financially at least - is not wearing poseur team strips really posing?
Good point...klay
Sep 9, 2002 6:55 AM
This is probably the reason I wear anything with a team logo on it. It's cheaper to buy last years colors.


PS This weekend, I saw 4 guys riding together. Two were in complete Once kits (the pink ones) and two were in complete Saeco kits. Kinda funny looking mainly because it looked like they must have called each othere ahead of time and worked out who was going to wear what. Maybe they were having their own mini Vuelta?
europeans have it right ?RayBan
Sep 9, 2002 7:26 AM
Unless your from Europe, how do you know there are not any "non-engish" discussion boards in Europe with whining roadies very similar to the ones we have in the US?
There might be roadies in Europe complaining about "posers"DCW
Sep 9, 2002 8:00 AM
on bulletin boards, but, if so, they hide their plain jane strip for midnight rides. At least in France, Italy and Spain, riders in plain jerseys are rare. The ones you see you can bet speak English as a first language.

You see all kinds of frames, old and new, American and European. You see a lot of guys and gals well into their 60s and 70s in team or club jerseys riding Reynolds 531 and Columbus SL frames with downtube shifters. Other riders of the same vintage ride the latest, high zoot bikes. No matter what they ride or wear, they are always very polite to me as they pass me on the climbs.
yeah, but all their stems are too high........firstrax
Sep 9, 2002 7:51 AM
just kidding.
agree on the supportGeko
Sep 9, 2002 8:06 AM
I wear a LBS's team jersey from last year, and I am proud to wear it. I'm working on looking good in my jersey and shorts, but I gladly wear my attire in support of cycling.
re: The europeans have it right - no posers thereharry hall
Sep 9, 2002 8:29 AM
Another thing about team kit--since it's advertising, it's bright and visible. There are times when quiet good taste
will get your ass run over.
Yes pick clothing that does not get you run overLC
Sep 9, 2002 8:52 AM
I am not very concerned about fashion at all, but I am concerned about not being seen and getting hit by a car. I am also concerned about comfort 80 miles down the road. The team clothing is often very visable and good quality for the price. I don't mind advertising stuff that you can't buy in the U.S. anyway.
?? Please clarify...Starliner
Sep 9, 2002 9:21 AM
I hope you didn't intend the "clothing nazi" label for any rider wearing plain, non-logoed gear instead of flashy team colors.

Dirt is found on both sides of the road. You've got wannabees who wear the flashy clothes and ride the expensive gear in order to live out their own dream. So what, as long as they don't get too conceited and annoying. On the other side, you've got riders who choose not to turn themselves into advertising billboards. So what, as long as they don't get too boring and judgemental.

Which leads to my road cycling thought for the day --- stay on the road and keep away from the dirt.
?? Please clarify...lanternrouge
Sep 9, 2002 9:42 AM
Wear what you want. I get tired of those who post about people riding in USPS or some other kit.

My point is that you simply don't find this kind of fashion police attitude in europe. Also, they don't find it a sin to flash their colors in support of their team or sport.

Again, wWyclist wannabees -- not belittle them because they may not be a pro yet want to wear a pro jersey.

Lots of good points in support of wearing pro jerseys - value, visibility, pride -- you name it.

Good for all of you. Again, fashion fascists can take a hike and there are plenty of them on this board.
I don't own plain jerseys anymoreTig
Sep 9, 2002 10:51 AM
There are a few simple jerseys out there that I like, but they can be a bit overpriced. I wore out all my old ones years back. I prefer my team's kit and have about 3 jerseys from pro teams that haven't existed in at least 10 years. The quality can't be beat. I like to keep past editions of my team's jerseys and use them for everyday rides. I try to save the current year's kit for bigger events, races, and team rides. I also have a few club jerseys, including one American flag jersey that supported the Red Cross after Sept. 11th.

I like to support our sponsors as much as possible. I will refer people to the LBS that sponsors as well. This is the only way they could ever get a return on their sponsor money. Wearing past jerseys will promote past sponsors well after their support has dropped.
re: The europeans have it right - no posers thereMe Dot Org
Sep 9, 2002 12:40 PM
First of all, I'm all for anybody wearing anything they want when cycling.

I'm not sure how someone in the United States wearing an Euskatal jersey helps product recognition for a Spanish phone company. What's the point of raising brand awareness in a country that is not your market? If I'm the Director of Marketing for Euskatel, I might be amused that people in the U.S. are wearing my Company's jersey, but that would play a negligible part in the decision to spend next year's marketing dollars on cycling sponsorship.

If you're interested in promoting pro cycling with your kit, it would make sense to wear the kit of a Company that cares about brand awareness in the U.S. market (i.e., Festina, Saeco, U.S. Postal).

Of course there is other cycling clothing purchases that directly benefit cyclists, and other parts of the community. Purchasing a jersey for a charity ride or Century can raise money to fight a disease or raise money to help support cycling in your local community.