|Big difference in fan wearing football jersey and cyclists||SimonRex|
Sep 8, 2002 11:36 AM
|that have the team kit. The football fan is not playing football whereas the cyclist who rides decked out in full team gear with the team bike is participating in the sport. Football jerseys ok - cyclsist with team kit is a poser. I would be willing to bet the ones who are saying who cares what someone wears are posers themselves. Wear what you want but I, and many others, will call you posers. Carry on.|
|Another point of view.||Spoke Wrench|
Sep 8, 2002 11:44 AM
|I assume that the teams represented get a royalty for the sales of their team kits. Certainly sales of team clothing is an indication of the effectiveness of pro team sponsorship. As such, wearing team appearal is one way that ordinary cyclists can support the sport.|
|Another point of view.||SimonRex|
Sep 8, 2002 12:00 PM
|I can buy what you are saying if we are talking about just a jersey. However, the person who also has the team shorts, socks, helmet, gloves, bike and the shoes then there is only one word to describe them - poser. Whatever floats your boat is fine but that is a poser to me and many others. There is a guy who rides where I live who has the full USPS team kit including bike. I have never seen him ride in anything besides this. I picture his closet full of postal gear or do you think he washes the one outfit each time?|
Sep 8, 2002 4:13 PM
|I buy team jerseys because I LIKE THEM! No other reason. There are way less boring than your garden variety jerseys and generally of better quality. Call me a poser if you will, but I will wear them, regardless. No, I may not be able to even carry the socks of a pro cyclist, but then, I'm not trying to, either. If you prefer other jerseys, that's ok with me. Why should my choice in clothing cause you (and others) such angst ?|
|Yeah, I never see people in football jerseys playing football...||jose_Tex_mex|
Sep 8, 2002 11:46 AM
|or people playing baseball/softball in a Yankees jersey. Where's the "big" difference. Have you ever been to a tailgate party or to the stadium? How about your local basketball court.
I especially appreciate those local team members who pay for their jerseys, pay their own entry fees, rarely enter a race (never winning) who have this attitude. What's the difference?
In Europe everyone has full team gear and it doesn't seem to bother them. Just in the US a few elitists have decided to police the sport - thank you for your cooperation.
Next time a driver passes you by and gives you the "f@ggot in spandex" routine, realize that they are judging you by what you wear in much the same way you judge the posers.
Wearing team jerseys supports the team and the sport. Try to be more constructive and not destructive.
|re: Big difference in fan wearing football jersey and cyclists||fbg111|
Sep 8, 2002 12:28 PM
|Also, football fans don't wear the entire kit, just the jersey. A football (or whatever) fan wearing the jersey, pants, socks, etc. of his team, would be a bit extreme too.|
|re: Big difference in fan wearing football jersey and cyclists||The Human G-Nome|
Sep 8, 2002 1:54 PM
|i've been a big proponent of "where whatever you want" and that includes team jerseys. that being said, if a cyclist goes out of the way to wear EVERYTHING that the pro cyclist would wear including the bicycle, then yes... he's a poser.|
|Completely agree. nm.||fbg111|
Sep 8, 2002 2:34 PM
|Gee, I ran across 20-30 identical "posers" this summer . . .||DCW|
Sep 8, 2002 4:04 PM
|at the TdF. Team Telekom's fan club, some 20-30 of them, men and women, in full Telekom kit, all with Telekom Pinarello Princes. I guess they must have wanted everyone to think they were the real deal?
By the way, they got huge cheers from the TdF fans. And no, no one seemed to think either that they were the real deal or that they were anything other than hardcore fans. So far as I could tell everyone saw them for what they were and got a big kick out it.
I get a kick out of clothing nazis. I wonder why they use so much energy even bothering to wonder about what others wear.
|Gee, I ran across 20-30 identical "posers" this summer . . .||The Human G-Nome|
Sep 8, 2002 6:41 PM
|listen, read my post more carefully. i'm the farthest thing from a clothing nazi. i simply said that if you do your best to look EXACTLY like the pro cycler, ride the EXACT same bike, where the freakin' time trial socks, you're a poser. no big deal. i know lots of posers and some of them are my best friends. hell, i've even been a poser plenty of times in my life. but call a spade a spade. if you're doing it, you're a poser. that being said, i could care less who CHOOSES to be a poser. it causes me no angst or grief. be my guest. i for one might find it difficult to go this route, but that's just me and only my problem. i will however, wear my bonjour team jerseys and gloves, my mercatone uno team knickers. i like the look and feel. although, as i ride a univega modo volare, one might find it difficult to call me a poser, hard as they might. if you're part of a fan club, it makes total sense. fly your colors. if you want to imagine that you're Lance Armstrong, be my guest... i'm sure it can be fun.|
|No offense intended , but concept "poser" loses . . .||DCW|
Sep 9, 2002 2:10 AM
|meaning in the way you use it. The original poster and others use the term pejoratively to mean someone who pretends to be what he or she is not, as if wearing pro kit is an attempt to pull off a deception. My point is that I have never run across anyone, even the Telekom crew, that was doing anything more than supporting a favorite team or rider. Most aren't even doing that. They pick their jerseys for color or cost. For example, I have all kinds of jerseys, including a few team jerseys, all of which have cost very little. I have bought them on sale (often out of date versions) or gotten them for free as race prizes.
I rode with a guy a few days this past summer who had the full Kelme kit on one day, except that his bike was wrong. He was a very fit, strong rider and really looked the part. He dusted me on the Hautacam. As far as I am concered, he can wear anything he wants or ride naked.
Tailwinds . . .
|re: Big difference in fan wearing football jersey and cyclists||rcarbs|
Sep 8, 2002 2:58 PM
|I am glad that this thread is getting some discussion. When we cyclists wear "Team" clothing we are showing support for the sport. I choose not to wear the full outfit (but don't criticize those who do) but a jersey is a great show of support. Its too bad that so many in our sport have caused this feeling to spread and call fellow cyclists derogatory names (poser or fred) who like to show support for the pro teams. I have found that the only ones who dare show up for a group ride in their team clothing are the new cyclists and it isn't very long before they leave it at home. We in the US are lucky enough to have one of the best teams in the world and we should show it.|
|re: Big Effen Deal||Bill B|
Sep 8, 2002 4:17 PM
|Some days I wear a Postal jersey, some days a 7-11, some days something else. I am also a cat 2 who CAN ride most of the people I meet on the road off my wheel, but I'd rather ride with them as it is more fun to have friends than to antagonize strangers who may very well be nice people. I don't care what you are wearing when I meet you, why do worry so much about what I'm wearing.|
|Jerseys off the bike?||filtersweep|
Sep 8, 2002 4:26 PM
|I've never seen anyone wear a team jersey as casual wear, like at the store... with a pair of Dockers or jeans... have you? Just an observation.
I have seem people wear crazy NASCAR racing jackets- that put any teams jersey to SHAME with the amount of logoing they contain.
|Why do you worry about such things?||DaveG|
Sep 8, 2002 4:36 PM
|Simon, since you felt compelled to re-raise this issue again I have to assume you've spent a lot time worrying about this and I'm not sure why. Does it harm you in any way that other cyclists wear pro kit gear? And why are you so concerned about it? I doubt the entire sport will be brought down by some folks wearing USPS jerseys and the like.|
|Why do you worry about such things?||SimonRex|
Sep 8, 2002 5:59 PM
|No, just saw the issue raised down below and was bored. Like I said, whatever floats your boat but full kit=poser in my view (talking full kit not just a jersey). Your mileage may differ.|
|To pose or not to pose...||schimanski|
Sep 9, 2002 9:10 AM
|It sounds like you don't even know what the word "pose" means.
To pose in your team clothes you go to places with lots of people looking at you, you don't ride for three hours in the middle of nowhere just to pose, or do you? If you do, then you should really consider going to a nice open air café instead and work on your tan, you'll get a lot more publicity for your stunt there. Perhaps someone will even talk to you.
|I think Simon needs to get a life!||GEORGIADOG|
Sep 8, 2002 5:59 PM
|Shouldn't that be Dawg . . .||SimonRex|
Sep 8, 2002 6:01 PM
|SEC in the house.|
|RBR has something for everyone.||djg|
Sep 9, 2002 6:16 AM
|Some folks enjoy sharing training tips.
Some folks enjoy hearing about new bikes.
Some folks cannot get enough of MB1's illustrated ride coverage.
Me, I like the searing fashion commentary. Nothing, but nothing, helps the insomnia like a close analysis of exactly how many pieces of team kit one can wear simulataneously before winning the appelation "poser."
|Let's try to remember that "posers" are <i>riding</i>... n/m||mmquest|
Sep 9, 2002 9:45 AM
|Here's the difference||TypeOne|
Sep 9, 2002 11:36 AM
|A fat guy in a football jersey at the mall isn't trying to fool anyone that he is a good football player. He's just demonstrating that he's a fan.
The cyclist wearing the Saeco jersey on a ride is attempting to elevate others' perceptions of him/her as a cyclist. Face it, when you see someone in a Kelme jersey before a climb, don't you assume this person is going to drop you on the hill? I would gather that person fancies him or herself a good climber and chose that jersey to show off, not to support Kelme or to show he/she is a fan of the team.
Not true in all cases, of course.
|nah, just means they got $60 to blow on a shirt||off roadie|
Sep 9, 2002 1:40 PM
|That's usually all I figure. Nothing wrong with that, really- if it was a comfy shirt to ride in and it fit (I need a Tall size, which ain't common), and I had the cash, I'd do it too, and I don't even know who Kelme is. If blowing that much cash on a shirt is stupid, the football guy is twice as dumb- at least the bike shirt has some functional features.
I don't worry about when or if somebody can drop me- if they are still there when we reach the hills, they are welcome to do so. I'm out there for my own benefit, not to show anybody up.