|Bragging and Biking||bigrider|
Sep 6, 2002 7:24 AM
|We have all encountered riders who insist on explaining how fast, technically skilled, and well conditioned their bodies are in relation to cycling.
People tend to talk about their abilities ( brag) in many other sports such as football, boxing, soccer, etc.
Is there room for bragging in cycling or is it just completely unacceptable.
I will post my opinion later.
Sep 6, 2002 7:32 AM
|Define "bragging" vs. discussing something for some legitimate purpose.
Sep 6, 2002 7:39 AM
|I am talking about the person that out of the blue starts telling you about their 22mph solo ride and how they can climb like a neutered billy goat and how they dropped their buddies like a rock last week because they felt so strong.
I don't mean providing realistic information when asked by another person. We all do that to give people a feel for how difficult a ride is or when trying to compare abilities.
Sep 6, 2002 9:15 AM
|"It ain't bragging if you done it." -- Dizzy Dean
Of course, there is a difference between bragging and lying.
|Let the riding do the talking||Tig|
Sep 6, 2002 9:18 AM
|The old saying is, "talk is cheap". Anyone can blurb out imagined, exaggerated, or even true accomplishments to try to impress others. I think it reflects their low self-esteem or poor self-image. The problem is, it rarely impresses anyone and exposes the person's insecurities. If anyone feels the need to impress, do so with actions. Ride strong, hold a line, be courteous, etc...
On the other hand, there is nothing wrong with pride in our accomplishments. It takes plenty of time and dedication to improve our bike fitness and skills. I take pride in improved ability while still enjoying the little things like the ride's scenery, the sensations of the surroundings, and the mental relaxation that comes with just riding a bike. It can be tempting to brag about a new found ability since it brings such great self satisfaction with it. We should instead focus on the satisfaction of riding and improving and look forward to future rides. Bragging takes us away from the pure enjoyment and into an ego trip, which just can't compare.
So, let me tell you about how last week I sprinted past...
Sep 6, 2002 9:48 AM
|The reason I started this thread is I have found that in general cyclists do not talk brashly about their accomplishments and in my road riding groups it almost appears to be bad form if you do tell about a great, true feat.
To me cycling is different than the other sports because there is such truth in cycling. We can all enjoy the scenery and the socializing and also clearly evaluate each other's abilities while on the road. It almost is redundant talking about your riding abilities with people you ride with because they KNOW your ability probably better than you know yourself. They know who pulls strongest on the flats, who is the best long hill climbers, who climbs the steepest stuff best, etc.
I rarely ever hear anyone talking about their skill level and what prompted this post in the first place was a new rider that was going to go out on a group ride with us telling us all how strong he was riding. Well just wait a minute, save your breath and ride with us a few times and we will all know what you can do and vice versa. And if you are as good as you say you are, we will be the first to tell you and everyone else. I have also noticed cyclists are quick to give praise where it is deserved. Just some of my observations.
|That has been my experience as well...||rwbadley|
Sep 6, 2002 9:57 AM
|It's easy to gab, but on the bike there is no hiding 'what you got'
|Giving praise to other riders||Tig|
Sep 6, 2002 1:56 PM
|Giving praise to other riders and sharing useful experiences or advice is part of putting back into cycling. I was once lucky to have had a few experienced riders who took a small group of us newbies under their wing and teach us paceline riding. I still pass their teachings on to new riders who ask questions.
A compliment to a fellow rider on their new bike or praising them on how they've improved can really energize their riding experience. I know how it helps build earned confidence since a few long time riding friends praised me last week for pulling stronger, blah, blah, blah. Having spent the last year and a half trying to get back my old form has been rewarding. Hearing it from some respected riders was rewarding in a different way. Call it "acceptance". That's not why we ride, but acceptance is important to our psyche. Reaching out toward another helps them feel accepted as well. I'm not saying we should all build a mutual admiration society or sit around the campfire holding hands, singing Koom-by-yah (how the hell is it spelled?!). Its just that by being a decent person to our fellow cyclists, we break down the elitest divisions and make riding more fun. Who knows, the rider that someone snubs this week might be the person who loans them a much needed tube next week!
The best riders I know never brag of their feats or abilities. They just let the riding do the talking, and their message is clear!
|define - I think you just did.||fbg111|
Sep 6, 2002 1:54 PM
|Talking about yourself b/c you're a self-centered person and need the attention vs. having a give-and-take with others with the intention to mutually learn and improve.|
Sep 6, 2002 7:43 AM
|Cycling is an emotionless pastime that no one should ever get excited about. There is nothing worth bragging about in the entire sport of cycling. I don't even think cyclists should be considered athletes on the same par as football, boxing, soccer, etc. I mean, anyone can ride a bike. It's just not that hard!|
|Do you write for MSNBC ?||firstrax|
Sep 6, 2002 7:53 AM
|Ya'll can brag all you want but I'm better than you.||triple shot espresso|
Sep 6, 2002 8:01 AM
|I never have a bad day. I'm always the strongest guy on every group ride. My friends don't ride with me anymore because I rip their legs off everytime. If I didn't work I would be a Pro and I would be racing in the Tour. Lance who?
Is this bragging or am I just telling you what reality is?
|I never brag. Yesterday, for example, I did||scottfree|
Sep 6, 2002 8:26 AM
|my normal 'rest day' loop -- 82 miles, with 5000 feet of 12-percent grade easy climbs, just spinning at an average speed of 27.5 mph in an easy gear (53x11)-- and at one point I latched onto a paceline of local racers, and I guess they admired my full Record Colnago so they asked me to share the work, and at one point when I got to the front of the line I just got lost in thought and inadvertantly put the hammer down, and dropped the whole race team! I glanced back and they were at the bottom of the three-mile hill I was cresting! Well, I felt really bad for doing that, so I just circled and circled like a buzzard at the top of the hill till they rejoined me, and I apologized, and geared down to 42x16 and just meekly sat in with them for the rest of the ride, where we averaged a measly 24.5 mph.
But do I brag about being a good guy and not complaining about the pace or humiliating the race team further by dropping them again? No!
Sep 6, 2002 8:42 AM
|Only a 3-mile hill? That's embarrassing. Just yesterday, I was spinning up a 15% grade for 20 miles! That's over 15,000 feet of climbing! And I wasn't even tired.|
|You are obviously a whimp, I do the same with a 56 tooth. nm||Juanmoretime|
Sep 6, 2002 11:31 AM
|In real life I'm rich, fast, good looking, and a sex machine...||rwbadley|
Sep 6, 2002 8:27 AM
|On the internet I'm just another anonymous poster that can pretend to be whomever he wants to be!
A guy I ride with is quite fast on the bike. (Even faster than me!) I really admire and like to ride with him because he never rubs it in or talks about it.
I like to talk about my great kid or lovely wife. I sometimes infer that I can ride a bike or do other things in an OK fashion. I am repelled by the braggarts. They are not limited to cycling either. (as we know)
I do like to dish a good story now and then. If that involves taking artistic license.... well..
|Do you ever hear me...||Eager Beagle|
Sep 6, 2002 8:53 AM
|banging on and on about my TDF stage win?
Well there you are then.
(Mind you, there's a good reason for that)
|As a Professional I must respond||bigrider|
Sep 6, 2002 8:55 AM
|Some of you have done well but I must tell you the truth.
I was on a group training ride the other day with pros and cat 1s and was pulling up front on a 4 mile hill at 31.5 mph and decided to sing America Pie but had to quit on the fourth verse because I forgot the words. When I went over the top I was all alone but had a problem on the downhill. I was going so fast that I made the mistake of opening my mouth and my lips went into a harmonic vibration pattern like the Tacoma Narrows Bridge and I bruised the entire front of my face. Their was a health clinic at the bottom of the hill and I got treated there after waiting in line behind three patients including one that needed a cast put on her wrist.
I got back on my bike and soft pedaled until the group caught up with me. After the ride ended I rode to my car which was parked on the second floor of a parking garage. I got on my mountain bike and jumped to the grassy lawn and pedaled to the group of MTB racers I ride with. We started climbing and I was spinning up this 18% grade hill and my chain ring turned cherry red from the friction of me pedaling so fast that when I jumped a 32 inch diameter log the chain ring started the log smoldering. My friends loved this because when they got to the log it was burned through and they didn't have to jump it.
A professional BRAGGART
|Why, only last night||Mel Erickson|
Sep 6, 2002 9:08 AM
|I WATCHED the Montezumas Revenge race on OLN. How many of you can say you did that?!|
|I not only watched that, but Chicago play live as well!||Tig|
Sep 6, 2002 9:24 AM
|Thanks to the trusty BACK button on my remote, I did what any man loves to do, watch 2 programs at the same time. I'd sweat while on OLN, and jam while on A&E.
I STILL managed to win the sprint to the bathroom!
|I used to play keyboards for Chicago in the 80s.||triple shot espresso|
Sep 6, 2002 9:31 AM
|It sure was hard fitting the gigs in with my racing. Luckily for me I don't need to train and can party like a rock star, literally, and then go out and win a bike race.|
Sep 6, 2002 1:08 PM
|I really didn't want to brag but because you insist, I read the newspaper and watched the 49er/Giants game too! Hah, top that!|
Sep 6, 2002 9:25 AM
|... and I didn't get up to pee during the commercial breaks. You took a few breaks, didn't ya? Go on admit it. ;-)
|well, I just farted . . .||bill|
Sep 6, 2002 9:26 AM
|and it hardly stinks at all.
|Hardly stinks ehh? I can top that||rwbadley|
Sep 6, 2002 9:51 AM
|I just farted, and not only did the birds fall off the power lines outside the house and the plants wither, but the hazmat team showed up and they had to wear double suits to repel the noxious fumes.|
|ROFLMAO! (we know what humor is, don't we?) nm||bill|
Sep 6, 2002 10:06 AM
|wow! first 'do not click on this', then this post...||JS Haiku Shop|
Sep 6, 2002 9:49 AM
|guess it's all downhill from here.|
|What the He!!, it's Friday.. nm||Dave Hickey|
Sep 6, 2002 9:59 AM
|But, where's the haiku? nm||Mel Erickson|
Sep 6, 2002 1:06 PM
|To a degree its not bragging if you can back it up||PODIUMBOUNDdotCA|
Sep 6, 2002 12:59 PM
|I think its okay to a degree in a tasteful way to state what you can do as long as its quantifiable over a definite course. So this means saying it once and never mentioning it again. Average speed means nothing since courses, temperature and exertion all vary so much. Now average speed up a specific hill at a certain heart rate is okay as long as the other person knows the hill. Or on the track comparing times as long as you keep the track in mind since tracks vary in speed.
|What do you mean? What are you all thinking? It's okay to||bill|
Sep 6, 2002 1:05 PM
|whom? If someone has a sincere interest in what you are doing, you're right, it's not bragging; it's sharing information. If not, it's bragging, and it's rude, and it ain't right. 'Cause Momma said. And there isn't a whole lot more to it.
There is no truth or untruth component to the equation, if it ain't true, it's both rude AND a lie.
Y'all are going a bit overboard on this one.
Sep 6, 2002 3:09 PM
|I think anyone who visits this site, especially regularly, has consented to reading a fair amount of other cyclists' accounts of their riding. That's part of what interests us. It only becomes "bragging" when it gets obnoxious. Geez, people, this *is* a cycling forum. Don't we expect, even desire, to read about our accomplishments? I know I enjoy hearing how people do.
Sep 7, 2002 4:29 PM
|I think most people can tell the difference b/t when someone is bragging vs. when they are discussing. It's just one of those things. Also, I think there is a difference b/t sharing your accomplishments on a mostly anonymous internet forum vs. incessantly talking/bragging about them irl.|| |