|another photo of Tammy||gregario|
Sep 6, 2002 3:46 AM
|ok didn't work. try it again!||gregario|
Sep 6, 2002 3:47 AM
|That's just wrong...||Wayne|
Sep 6, 2002 4:13 AM
|I hope it had at least been a couple days since her last shave. If that's 5 o'clock shadow she's more of a man than me!|
Sep 6, 2002 9:01 AM
|If this picture is legitimate and not a joke, then this individual should never have been allowed to compete as a female. It is amazing that drug tests could have missed the steroid use and as I remember it, steroid uses causes certain unusual growth in female genitalia. (That part is for real) A number of years ago, another female cyclist was busted for steroids (can't remember her name) but whatever her mannish looks, the real problem was that the steroids had seriously damaged her body and health. think I remember her name--Cindy Olivari. If that is wrong, please correct me.
Gender/schmender psycho-babble aside, this person is as freakish as was Jarmila Kratchikilova (sp?), a Yugoslav "woman" world record holder in the 400 meter dash. Drugs are a perversion.
Sep 6, 2002 6:39 PM
It's amazing to me that anyone would WANT to use drugs that could do that to you, but I guess even something as admirable as excelling in a sport can become too much of an obsession.
|I'm trying to not quote Austin Powers!||Tig|
Sep 6, 2002 4:23 AM
|But... I... can't... hold off...
That's a MAN, Baaaby!
OK, I'm better now.
|LOL - (nm)||jefajones|
Sep 6, 2002 4:25 AM
|No way was that thing born w/ female genitalia!||Matno|
Sep 6, 2002 4:36 AM
|Not a chance. No way. No how. Ambigious genitalia maybe (such as Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia), but there are some serious androgens (male hormones) in that body.|
|THING?! You call a person a "THING?" Grow the hell up (nm)||jtolleson|
Sep 6, 2002 11:34 AM
|Gimme a break.||Matno|
Sep 6, 2002 6:37 PM
|Just because you don't agree with my views on other issues doesn't mean you have to resort to personal attacks. Oh wait, that's what people do when they don't have anything rational to say.
If that picture is, in fact, a picture of a woman and not a Photoshop mix, there is certainly visible evidence of either unusually stimulated androgens of some sort or steroid use. I don't buy into the "pick your gender" garbage that some people seem to think is a valid decision that we all have to make. People are born male or female. There are exceptions, but those rare cases almost universally have other health issues that would preclude being a professionally competitive athlete.
When you've lived as long as I have, then you can tell me to grow up.
|Gimme a break.||jtolleson|
Sep 6, 2002 8:17 PM
|Funny that folks can need to grow up despite their chronological age. Don't know yours. Mine's 38 years.
"Personal attack?" Sorry, dude (assuming you are a dude) I don't even know enough about you to make a personal attack. I was calling your ATTITUDE juvenile. Get it? Guess not. It was a criticism of the idea, but I guess that was lost on you.
But now that I remember you as the right wing homophobe from the non-cycling discussion forum, I suppose I can put your ridiculous remark into context.
There, was that personal enough?
PS -- do you even ride? I've never seen you comment on a bike related topic. I only see you post when you can share your meanspirited political zealotry.
|ok didn't work. try it again!||got2ryd|
Sep 6, 2002 4:45 AM
|Is her name really Tammy? For real, is that a girl? Pro cyclist?|
Sep 6, 2002 4:50 AM
|yes, she is a track cyclist and just got a lifetime ban for steroid use.
I guess now we'll be seeing her on those Lumberjack contests on OLN.
|Shhh don;t give her ideas!||PODIUMBOUNDdotCA|
Sep 6, 2002 11:36 AM
|Here's a pic of Tammy on the bike, seriously.||PaulMC|
Sep 6, 2002 5:28 AM
|I wonder what made the doping...||Wayne|
Sep 6, 2002 5:36 AM
|authorities suspicious enough of her to track her down for an out of competition test?|
|did you ever see the seinfeld episode...||merckx56|
Sep 6, 2002 9:12 AM
|"man hands" ? i bet tammy (timmy/tommy) thomas can break a lobster with her bare hands too! my only question is whether he/she pees sitting or standing?|
|The sad thing is ...||PaulCL|
Sep 6, 2002 6:03 AM
|...that this (wo)man has voluntarilly given up her gender for a sport. Weird.
...another thing..any records she set will still stand. There are controls in place to throw out cheaters, but not erase any world/American records that they may have set.
|Isn't that Jonas Carney? (nm) :-)||bigdave|
Sep 6, 2002 12:40 PM
|there are ways of fooling UCI gender tests||Spirito|
Sep 6, 2002 4:25 AM
|this may not be one of them|
Sep 6, 2002 5:07 AM
|A quick back-shave and she's good to go (bless 'er little 'eart).
|You sure its Tammy and not Tommy???? (nm)||taar44|
Sep 6, 2002 5:33 AM
|And how long it take officials to figure out....||Dave Hickey|
Sep 6, 2002 6:00 AM
|that she was taking steroids?? Duh!!!!|
|The real test is to give her a TV remote control||Tig|
Sep 6, 2002 6:27 AM
|If she is constantly changing the channel to see WHAT ELSE is on, she's a man.
The same goes with the official Ask For Directions test.
|Hey, I channel surf||Kristin|
Sep 6, 2002 6:36 AM
|But I've been told that not purchasing cable television, a DVD player, high speed internet access or video games, AND owning a 166MHZ PC, and only a 3 CD changer balances out the surfing thing and is proof positive that I'm not a man.|
|What's up with the character assination?||grzy|
Sep 6, 2002 11:55 AM
|Can any of you guys stand back and take a look at what you've said and not feel like a bunch of jackals? |
What has this person ever done to any of you? Let's pick on some other doper who we don't like the looks of - how about Pantani and his ears. Maybe some pro football player or pro wrestler that looks really macho and could snap any of us like a twig. Why limit ourselves to bullying some woman who doesn't meet the idealized media version of a Barbie doll? Hey, there are entire magzines devoted to female body builders that look like men, use drugs, win contests and make more money than we probably do. What are we doing about this? Maybe we could start a discussion group to pick on them and make ourselves feel better.
If your problem is with drugs in sport and testing then stick to the issue, but to single out an individual for something that is so widespread and heap all of the blame on this one person is just wrong. Might as well blame one drunk driver for the world's entire DUI problem and make fun of their looks while you're at it.
|Baseball sport of doppers nm||african|
Sep 6, 2002 12:09 PM
|can this stuff||DougSloan|
Sep 6, 2002 12:39 PM
|Two things I can't stand are (avoidable) stupidity and personal attacks. This thread seems to have the worst of both. I'd bet you are really not that stupid, so this must be nothing but meanness. My opinion is that this sort of stuff has no place here. You'll drive off many decent people doing this crap. That sucks.