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gray market (pinarello) frames?(6 posts)

gray market (pinarello) frames?tomato
Sep 4, 2002 10:19 PM
i found some great prices on higher end pinarello frames at a shop in a nearby city, however i'm a little bit suspicious of prices $300 to $400 lower than what local shops(i live in japan)are offering. all those pinarellos are hand-crafted in italy, right? i've heard of dodgy mavic wheels here (re-imports from a third country, no warranty coverage) but wouldn't be able to tell one way or another myself, especially with a bike frame. any thoughts or am i paranoid?
You are not paranoidEager Beagle
Sep 5, 2002 12:11 AM
I have recently been reseraching the purchase of a Pin (though I decided on another frame in the end). There are a lot of "grey" frames about, not covered by the manufacturers warranty, and of dubious origin. There are also some about that don't match what Pin made - wrong finishes/colours for the frame model etc. My advice would be to only buy from a reptable Pin dealer, and make sure you see all the paperwork. If in doubt, get the frame no and e-mail Pin to check what it's supposed to be.

All that said, they are great frames, and I bet you won't be disappointed if you get (a real) one.
re: gray market (pinarello) frames?Pucci
Sep 5, 2002 2:44 AM
Don't know what city you're in but Japan has some of the best prices in the world on Italian bikes (and tires.) I have never heard anything about fake frames, but Sagami Cycle in Yokohama and Uemura parts in Osaka are reputable and very cheap.
gray market or Counterfit - big differenceOld_school_nik
Sep 5, 2002 9:47 AM
Don't be confused between counterfit and gray market - grey market just means that the product was intended for sale in a country other than the country you are in - I buy all my tires and accessories from overseas vendors who sell for our cost!! I don't care if I don't have a warranty on the tires - I pay 50% what they cost here!

Counterfit goods are another story completely!

Just my opinion.

thanks and reply to puccitomato
Sep 5, 2002 6:51 PM
thanks for the replies. i checked out the japanese importer's site ( and the shop checks out as a legit dealer. i got the importer's homepage address from the pinarello site.

pucci-know anything about fitte in kita-senju? (live in gunma by the way)
thanks and reply to pucciPucci
Sep 5, 2002 10:25 PM

Fitte is a well know shop with a strong triathlon team. Don't know which Pin you're lookig to buy but my guess is you can do better with Uemura ( or Sagami (no HP)

For my money, Sagami is the best bike shop in the world!

Where do you ride? Do you do the big hill climbs? (Yatsugatake, Ustukushigahara, Tsugaike and Norikura - all in Nagano.) Those HC races are the best thing about cycling in Japan.

I ride with a shop club in Yokohama called Coggey.