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Lawyer Tabs(24 posts)

Lawyer Tabsnoveread
Sep 3, 2002 7:00 AM
I've got those pesky "lawyer tabs" on my front forks. I know some have "filed" them off and would like to get rid of them as well. However, I don't want to damage the forks as a result. The forks are TIME Millenium.

Any of you filed those suckers off? What did you use? Did you do it by hand or did you use say a roto-tool?

Thanks,

Andy
Done it several times, to mine and others...brider
Sep 3, 2002 7:08 AM
I just use a good flat bastard file. No, I'm not refering to it's heritage, just that it only has cuts going one direction. Take your time, hold the file firmly and always flat to the dropout surface. Do smooth strokes, and take care to stay away from the carbon. It's not rocket science or brain surgery. Just take your time and you'll be fine.
It's easy enoughTJeanloz
Sep 3, 2002 7:08 AM
A coarse file will take them right off. Dropouts are made of very soft metal; a good file will have the tabs off in 5 minutes or less.
After the first stroke, it's easycory
Sep 3, 2002 7:39 AM
I did mine with a Dremel, but it's probably better to use a file because you take off only a tiny amount with each stroke. Just keep going until they look the way you want them to. With a power tool, there's always the chance you'll slip or tilt it or something and take off too much.
File those suckers offpmf1
Sep 3, 2002 8:01 AM
I just use a metal file. The aluminium tabs file off really easily in just a few strokes. I'd be afraid a dremel tool might take off too much.
why bother?ColnagoFE
Sep 3, 2002 8:04 AM
I mean they provide a minimal safety factor if you are boneheaded enough to forget to close the QR and they don't make changing wheels all that much more time consuming. You just have to open the QR a bit more than if you didn't have 'em.
Weight Savings!jromack
Sep 3, 2002 8:15 AM
You can save about .0003 lbs
I wonder what I did with them?Spoke Wrench
Sep 3, 2002 8:26 AM
I used to have some quick release nuts that had a little set screw in them. You could adjust the set screw to the sweet spot so that you just tightened the QR nut till it stopped and flipped the lever up perfectly snug everytime. It doesn't sound like a big deal, but to me they felt like my first ride with index shifting.
My $0.02grzy
Sep 3, 2002 8:20 AM
Keep 'em on the MTB - it helps keep the front wheel more secure on big hits (no foolin').

Take 'em off by hand with a mill bastard file on the road bike in less than 5 minutes.
Natural SelectionCT1 Guy
Sep 3, 2002 9:19 AM
Should be intentionally left off - any rider that can't manage to work out a QR will hopefully succumb to their own devices and hopefully be eliminated from the gene pool rather than having to resort to legal means to cover for their own stupidity.
Hmmmm....grzy
Sep 3, 2002 9:52 AM
Would you say the same thing about seat belts?
What's a lawyer tab?Terrapin
Sep 3, 2002 9:23 AM
Is it that little thing inside my drop-out that makes getting my wheel off of the QR more difficult?

Why are they there?
What's a lawyer tab?pmf1
Sep 3, 2002 10:01 AM
They are there to protect bike mfg from liability. In the past, lawsuits have been brought against companies who sold bikes to people who forgot to close their quick release and crashed because of it. Kinda like forgetting to screw the lug nuts on your car tire, crashing and then blaming the manufacturer.

The first time I heard the phrase was in a Leonard Zinn piece in Velonews.
It's not THAT hard to forget to close the QRColnagoFE
Sep 3, 2002 10:14 AM
I mean especially with roof racks where you need to remove the front wheel I've been in a hurry and just popped the front tire on to get the bike into the garage. I've never taken off with it off, but close. I think more likely to happen on road bikes (especially Campy equipped) than MTB as you may not realize your brakes are released until it's too late.
Better change your habits.pmf1
Sep 3, 2002 11:21 AM
The brake is not the danger ... its losing the entire wheel.

I saw a guy lose his front wheel while riding home from work one night. He was coming the other way on the bike path, hit a ripple in the road at a cross road and his front wheel went flying. He landed hard on his fork and then the ground. The massive steel fork on his cheapo mtn bike bent pretty seriously. Luckily, he was wearing a helmet ... otherwise he would have been hurt seriously. As it was, he was pretty banged up. I felt sorry for him and told him to wait while I rode home, got my car and gave him a ride home -- he had about 7 miles to go and didn't look too good. He told me that he forgot to fasten his quick release after leaving work (I think he had the wheel off when the bike was locked up). Had this guy been on a road bike moving along at a reasonable speed (he was putting along), it could have been pretty serious.
yup. i did.ColnagoFE
Sep 3, 2002 1:16 PM
i now make sure the bike is ready to go when i take it off the rack. still there is always that one time...
What's a lawyer tab?aliensporebomb
Sep 3, 2002 10:22 AM
A good friend of me and my wife's was once dating a guy who
had first hand experience at why these are there now.

One night he was riding to the local superette and when he
came out the door, he thought he saw some kids messing with
his front quick release. It was a Trek Antelope bike, and
a fairly old one.

He shooed them away, took a quick visual inspection of his
QR but didn't actually check it.

He was riding downhill at about 20 mph towards his
apartment when he hit a chuckhole in the road and his
bike went one way and the tire another.

The fork hit the pavement and bent in half. More on the fork
later.

He went face first into the pavement. He was incredibly
lucky he did not die - but thanks to a passing pickup truck
driver he was carted back to his apartment. His girlfriend
then took him to the hospital.

He required major reconstructive surgery - he wears dentures
now because most of his teeth were lost in the accident. He
had to have his jaw wired shut for several weeks after the
thing happened.

Eventually he could talk and eat and do everything he used
to do but the pain lingered.

He never sued because he felt it was his own fault for not
looking at the QR. He also later took the fork, banged it
back in shape and last I heard was still riding on it.

Scary but true story. He ended up with about $30,000 in
medical bills after that and he was unenmployed at the time
with no health insurance.
and...mr_spin
Sep 3, 2002 11:06 AM
After all that, apparently the girl left him, too! Let THAT be a lesson to you.
Who would he have sued anyway?NJRoad
Sep 3, 2002 1:04 PM
When he sticks you with the bill for drinks! - nmgrzy
Sep 3, 2002 1:10 PM
re: Lawyer Tabsmapei boy
Sep 3, 2002 11:11 AM
In L.A. we call them Lawyer Lips.
Colnago forks don't have them (nm)MGS
Sep 3, 2002 4:37 PM
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Colnago forks don't have them (nm)mapei boy
Sep 4, 2002 1:57 PM
I wish you were correct in this. My Colnago Flash fork DOES have 'em.
I file 'em off for racing...Mr Good
Sep 3, 2002 7:48 PM
...because I have spare wheels in the pit, or in the follow vehicle in case of a flat. With the lawyer lips gone, the wheel change is much faster--the qr is already adjusted to the perfect tightness.

It's also a matter of convenience. I'm constantly changing wheels--training wheels, racing wheels, wheels off and into the car, wheels back on and race, back off and into the car, back home and put 'em on again--so I don't want to fiddle with the qr nut. Most folks who do lots of racing or wheel changes file 'em off, otherwise it's no big deal to work the qr nut.

If I didn't race I'd probably never undo a qr until I get a flat.

I'm also an old man who remembers the pre-litigation days when there were no lawyer tabs, so they seem unnatural to me. I file 'em off just so the bike "feels" right. But I have met people who don't know how to use a quick release, and who insist upon leaving the lever open and tightening down the nut 'til the lawyer tabs hold the wheel in place!! I try to kindly explain to such folks how the qr works, but I have been angrily rebuffed for not minding my own business. The lawyer tabs are necessary for these sort of people.