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TDF Best Climber: Jalabert vs. Armstrong(16 posts)

TDF Best Climber: Jalabert vs. Armstrongfbg111
Aug 29, 2002 6:26 AM
Forgive my naivete, but how did Jalabert win Best Climber when Armstrong won the tour b/c of his climbing performance? Is there some rule I'm unaware of that prevents the overall winner from getting any of these sub-awards?
re: TDF Best Climber: Jalabert vs. ArmstrongSpunout
Aug 29, 2002 6:34 AM
Jaja won many climbs except the last ones of the stage. Amazing solo breaks for 140KM gathered alot of points.

Armstrong made sure to win the last climbs, and if those are where the finish line is, you win.

Best Climber alone: Jaja.

Best Climber because of his team: Armstrong
It's based on a point system.Sintesi
Aug 29, 2002 6:34 AM
Each ranked climb awards points to the first 10 (or is it 20?) riders over the top. The climbers jersey is awarded to the guy who has accumulated the most points throughout and at the end of the TdF. There a lot of climbers better than JaJa but he went on the attack more often and as a result got a lot of points by reaching umpteen hills and cols first. Lance is a better climber but he only contests the really important climbs.
Corolary question?liebejungen
Aug 29, 2002 7:40 AM
How are points awarded,then, for the sprinters jersey? Is it awarded by reaching certain checkpoints first?
Exactly...TJeanloz
Aug 29, 2002 7:42 AM
Question of the day, is there anybody besides JaJa who's won the green and polka dot jerseys in different years (obviously, Merckx did it in the same year)?
yeahmr_spin
Aug 29, 2002 7:54 AM
Bernard Hinault. For any of you younger folk who don't know him, he's the guy on the Tour podium wearing the short sleeve shirt with a tie.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/cycling/2070678.stmtz
Aug 29, 2002 7:46 AM
re: TDF Best Climber: Jalabert vs. Armstrongfbg111
Aug 29, 2002 10:13 AM
I see. So in order to get the lowest possible overall time, does that mean that Armstrong only attacked on a few of the biggest or most important hills/mountains, but dominated those few climbs by so much that Jalabert couldn't make up the overall time difference by attacking more often with less dominatingly?
re: TDF Best Climber: Jalabert vs. Armstrongmr_spin
Aug 29, 2002 10:39 AM
Answering that presumes that Jalabert had the intention and the chance of challenging Armstrong, but neither is true.

Jalabert rode with disregard for time. His aim was to go out on his own in mountain stages and collect as many points as he could before he was caught. He never had a chance of winning the Tour.

Armstrong attacked when he thought he could gain on his rivals. Once he had a big lead, he sat and waited for his rivals to attack him. Surprisingly, they rarely did.

Both men rode their races to perfection.
re: TDF Best Climber: Jalabert vs. Armstrongfbg111
Aug 29, 2002 11:35 AM
Are you saying that Jalabert doesn't really care about winning overall TDF, and so doesn't ride to a particular strategy or lean on his team like Armstrong does?
thats exactly it. nmafrican
Aug 29, 2002 11:42 AM
Who do you think would win in an all-out 1v1 distance race? nmfbg111
Aug 29, 2002 1:10 PM
cycling fansmr_spin
Aug 29, 2002 2:11 PM
Who knows? It depends on where you hold it (terrain), when you hold it, what the weather is like that day. But that would be a cool race. If Lance had not been working for Hincapie at San Sebastien, we might have seen it.
Who do you think would win in an all-out 1v1 distance race? nmngl
Aug 29, 2002 3:36 PM
.... such as an individual time trial? Lance.
Re:fbg111
Aug 29, 2002 5:27 PM
I mean if just the two of them raced the entire TDF 1v1, no teams, no other competitors. What do you think?
if jaja had wanted to...rufus
Aug 29, 2002 1:10 PM
he could have played the same conservative game as everyone else, rode with the leaders, and probably have had a top ten finish in the tour. but he put his emphasis on winning the king of the mountains jersey.