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Last chance to deside my fate/destiny...(19 posts)

Last chance to deside my fate/destiny...hycobob
Aug 29, 2002 4:13 AM
This is the day; at some point I'll have to make up my mind and commit to a frame. I can't put it off for any longer or my wife will kill me. YES KILL ME! For 3 years now I've bemoaned the necessity of at least getting a new frameset.

You see, my C'Dale CAAD2 R300 lost its rear wheel while in a bridging sprint due to an errant PAPER TOWEL getting caught in my rear derailer and locking everything up solid. There was lots of damage to the bike's frame and components; luckily none to me save my pride at having to sag in...first, last and only time I hope.

Dangit I'm rambling...Suffice it to say my financier has agreed to a whole new bike. I've wanted Ti for a long time but almost got a Trek 5200 by mistake simply because it was at a lower price ($1850 rideout) since it was a 2002 demo.

Now the final countdown is in effect...and though the builders in Colorado are still sound asleep I've at work in the Houston area since 5:30am finding it harder and harder to keep my mind on the plant. This is exciting and terrifying at the same time; kind of like choosing that prom date so long ago. Pick the girl/bike that everybody's had a piece of; or the less popular one that you know is sweet as hell. But there is also that one who is race ready and nobody knows it...I can't believe I am still unsure of who I'll go with.

The choices have been narrowed down to:
1) Sampson "Silverton" with Dura Ace for $2350
2) Dean "El Diente" with Ultegra for $2475
3) Litespeed "Classic" with Ultegra for $2500
4) Merckx "Majestic" with Ultegra for $2600

Oh, the decissions to make. I know its time to cowboy up and choose, but man its hard. If for some wierd reason I don't like the bike and ever mention it around my wife I know she'll kill me dead. Not right there on the spot but sometime when I'm not expecting it. Like that woman did by tying her husband up in bed, dousing him with gasoline, and lighting him on fire. So you see this purchase has more on the line than just which bike to get...its a matter of life and death. I'll post pics in a few weeks...I hope.
Those are all nice bikes...Gregory Taylor
Aug 29, 2002 4:41 AM
...and probably not a "wrong" choice in the bunch. I just ordered a Dean El Diente CSI -- with the Carbon Seat Stays. Thus, my biased, self-reassuring advice would be to buy the Dean.
Thats whats so unnervinghycobob
Aug 29, 2002 5:14 AM
I'm leaning towards the Sampson with the D/A, but the Dean El Diente w/Ult is running a close 2nd (most likely backup). If this were a new truck the choise would be much easier...Dodge diesel, but it isn't.
#4 and get on with your life already. ;-) nmMB1
Aug 29, 2002 5:12 AM
Cycling is what keep me sane, well sort ofhycobob
Aug 29, 2002 5:25 AM
I was talked into running for/being president of mt daughter's football/drillteam organization and cycling is my only escape from the madness. Running this mess with about 125 kids and their crazy parents is more unnreving than picking which bike to get. So the times I get to put in solo and club miles is what I really look forward to.
Merckx - you can't go wrong. nmEager Beagle
Aug 29, 2002 5:22 AM
another merckx vote. nmJS Haiku Shop
Aug 29, 2002 5:23 AM
I have the 2001 merckxnova
Aug 29, 2002 6:38 AM
I love the thing. It's a 60cm built with Ultegra, an Ouzo Pro fork, 3T bars and stem. It's built by Litespeed, so if you get the Merckx, it may reduce the possibility of buyer's remorse with respect to the Litespeed option.
I have the 2001 merckxhycobob
Aug 29, 2002 8:08 AM
Do you know what the Majestic geometry is similar to? Is it close to the Classic?
majestic geom=all merckx models=century geom (nm)JS Haiku Shop
Aug 29, 2002 10:44 AM
Last paragraphFez
Aug 29, 2002 5:25 AM
If my wife would do that to me in the event I didn't like the bike, you can bet I would be happy on a 10 year old Schwinn with grip shifters.

But back to the bikes. Is Colorado Cyclist building #3 and #4? I'm no Colorado Cyclist fan, but if you know your measurements, you can get pretty much exactly what you want. Also, I've never seen a Litespeed Classic at an LBS for that price unless it was prior year's model.

The Litespeed is comfortable for long rides and will last you for years. Won't have to worry about the wife. Great warranty and price to boot.
Last paragraphhycobob
Aug 29, 2002 5:31 AM
Yes to 3 and 4 from Colorado Cyclist. But I can also get a good deal on a Classic from Hi-Tech in San Diego.
Last paragraphFez
Aug 29, 2002 5:49 AM
I have a Classic and like it very much. The comfortable ride really makes a difference for me after mile 45 or so.

Here's an interesting question for you. Assuming identical Reynolds forks, what's the difference between the Merckx Majestic and the Classic? The tubes are fabricated by Litespeed, and there isn't a lot of info on the Merckx geometries, althought the top tube and seat angle look the same as Litespeed for a 55cm frame.
Last paragraphhycobob
Aug 29, 2002 6:30 AM
I'm not at all sure on the Merckx geometry and tubing as he has liked doing his own designing. Litespeed does make alot of other framesets or so I'm told, and I can't get the tubing specs (such as the Macalu for Excel Sports).
I'm partial to SampsonMel Erickson
Aug 29, 2002 6:14 AM
mainly because I like a good deal and I think a Dura Ace equipped ti bike for $2350 is a "good deal". The Sampson and Dean are within a 1/2 degree and 1/2 cm of each other in basic dimensions (56 cm frame) although the Dean has a larger diameter down tube with a "crimp" for added stiffness. Litespeed offers sizing in odd numbers (55, 57, etc.) and might or might not fit you better. Merckx seems a little more laid back with his "century" geometry. I think the Dean would be the stiffest of the bunch. Not knowing how important saving a few dollars is to you or what type of riding you do it's difficult to recommend between the four. If it were me with the type of riding I do (no racing anymore, just 25 to 100 mile rides over rolling terrain) and my penny pinching style, I'd pick the Sampson. Have you ridden any of these bikes? Should be easy enough to find a Litespeed and even a Merckx but a Sampson or Dean could be a bit harder to find for a ride. BTW, Sampson's website lists the bike for more with DA than the price you quote. Sounds like even a better deal.
Price change was yesterdayhycobob
Aug 29, 2002 6:26 AM
I spoke with them and they are willing to work with me. The price I listed is for a special they had listed on their website until yesterday.
better deal on the Merckxjaybird
Aug 29, 2002 6:40 AM has the Merckx with Ultegra for $2295 and with DA for $2680. He has a 55, 56, and 57 in stock. He has been very helpful to me in the past.

My vote is for the Merckx.
re: Last chance to deside my fate/destiny...peter1
Aug 29, 2002 8:50 AM
1) Sampson "Silverton" with Dura Ace for $2350
2) Dean "El Diente" with Ultegra for $2475
3) Litespeed "Classic" with Ultegra for $2500
4) Merckx "Majestic" with Ultegra for $2600

Merckx...but build it with Campy! Here's why, given that they all suit your riding style: Litespeed: Every dermatologist over 40 has one. Even my non-riding wife scoffs at Litespeed Classics. Sampson: Cut-rate image, because they build lots of good Ti frames for others. Dean: Too many logos, plus they're a mountain bike company. This leaves only Merckx...

I realize this is totally snobbish, image-based choice, but so be it...have fun!

re: Last chance to deside my fate/destiny...Fez
Aug 29, 2002 10:05 AM
"Litespeed: Every dermatologist over 40 has one."

Of no consequence, unless image is a big part of the purchase.

"Even my non-riding wife scoffs at Litespeed Classics."

Of no consequence, period.

"Dean: Too many logos"

wtf? that affects the performance and/or fit of the bike?