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I hate my group ride...I love my group ride...(24 posts)

I hate my group ride...I love my group ride...eschelon
Aug 28, 2002 5:38 AM
What can I say...I love the speed training that I get from my usual group ride of the week...the best training for races is to train like you are in a race. And the group ride on Tuesday nights are definitly the place to be if I want to get faster and stronger. My strength and endurance has leaped exponentially each week that I have participated in the group rides...I have done only 4 so far this late in the year and I am sorry I did not participate in them earlier in the year...definitely next year.

I hate my group rides...they usually run red lights. And when the mini sprint races start just before the finish line (various pre-determined geographic markers)...all hell breaks loose...everyone who is strong enough to try and contest the sprints all scatter about all over the road and thereby pissing off many many car drivers who are left angered and confused as to what the hell is going on with these bike riders in their way...I just shake my head.

But what can you do? I thought I knew how to do a rotating paceline until I road with these guys...and realized this skill is alot harder than it looks. I love my group ride and I hate my group ride...I need this thing more than I don't.
same where I live.....african
Aug 28, 2002 5:47 AM
Love the group rides on Tues and Thurs if I can make them. Absolutly adore the early Sat ride, the later Sat ride I love too, but it gets crazy. Then the Sunday ride is a freaking mess, run red lights, bang on cars that are in the way (yes bang on cars with fists). What do you do?? You love the ride and hate the ride.
same where I live.....paulw
Aug 28, 2002 5:52 AM
Bang on cars? I'd kick the shit out of the guy regardless of whether he's a fellow cyclist.
same where I live.....african
Aug 28, 2002 6:22 AM
Yeah it was ridiculeous (sic). It was a large pack and the driver got in the middle of the pack and just drove in the middle. Not the drivers fault as he was sitting at a red light and the pack came up to the light and instead of sitting behind the car they go around the car on the left and right to get to the front of the car. If you don't hang on you get dropped and this is a 60 mile freak ride that gets up in the high 20's.

So anyway the old geezer sits on his horn and next thing you know a few of the older better (bigger than me) roadies bang on his car.

I was pissed at everyone, the driver for just driving in the pack and blaring the horn the riders for going around the car in the first place.

Anyway, thats the Sunday freak ride here.
Thomas McBride banged on the top of an SUV in ChicagoKristin
Aug 28, 2002 7:01 AM
http://www.chicagocriticalmass.org/mcbride_sun_times1.html
Africannetso
Aug 28, 2002 6:52 AM
I am curious! Did you go to Stan's Gym? Do you ride out of Greco on Sat. Mornings? If so, this is Stan.
Stanafrican
Aug 28, 2002 6:56 AM
er I don't know what Stans gym is or where it is. I have heard of Greco, thats in tampa right? I have been told I should ride there. I am over in St Pete. I am hard to miss I am the only dude from Africa, yes a white dude too.
Stannetso
Aug 28, 2002 6:59 AM
Greco is in Tampa. I used to own Stan's Gym. A black fellow I know rides a bike. He is pretty good. His name is Winston. Used to live in Clearwater.
Stanafrican
Aug 28, 2002 7:15 AM
The Sun ride I do goes up to Clearwater. I love the ride but it is a freak festival. I don't know Winston. Cheers
Time for a new group...noveread
Aug 28, 2002 7:17 AM
Take the suggestions from others and see if you can start a new group. There is no excuse for this type of behavior on a group ride. Eschelon's either... Car's don't own the roads, but neither do cyclists.

I sit here and I read a post like this and then the next day I'll read a post about how someone had a bad run in with a car. ...and everyone is getting steamed about the car-drivers. Perhaps folks should be getting steamed about fellow cyclists in their group rides. Clearly, the car-drivers are not solely at fault.

This type of behavior does not occur on any of my group rides. Bad form.

Andy
Get a new group ride before you get killed...spookyload
Aug 28, 2002 6:08 AM
There is no reason on earth to scatter riders all over the road for a sprint in traffic. If cars are getting pissed it is obviously not the right place to be doing it. It is better to be slow than dead.
If your friendly with these guys...biknben
Aug 28, 2002 6:23 AM
Are you friendly with these guys or are you just one of the unnamed riders in the pack? I'd befriend a few guys who are close to your ability and suggest doing a seperate smaller group ride. Maybe on a different day. That way you can reestablish some order. Then you can pick a more appropriate route and sprint locations. If this is a normal Tues. ride, suggest to a couple people that you do it again on Thurs.

Group sprints get dicey enough just amongst the riders. Doing this in traffic is dumb. Many times these rides were once smaller that just grew out of control. The original organizers/leaders have bailed because it got out of hand. Those who are left either don't care or don't know better.
your = you're (nm)biknben
Aug 28, 2002 6:25 AM
Talk to the riders one on one.MB1
Aug 28, 2002 6:31 AM
See if you can find a few others that feel like you and do you own ride.

Biking isn't worth risking your life for. Sooner or later (I imagine sooner) something bad is going to happen to that ride.
re: I hate my group ride...I love my group ride...mbologna
Aug 28, 2002 6:33 AM
Do you live in Houston, by any chance? Your description is exactly what happens here! Like you, I get frustrated with it, but the net gains for me as a rider seem to outweigh the problems, at least at this point.

I have to admit though, I was a serious runner for many years, and always enjoyed the camraderie. There doesn't seem to be that feeling in the group I ride with. I thought maybe it was just me or the group I ride with, but maybe it is cycling groups in general. I hope not....
Banging on peoples cars........fz4vgq
Aug 28, 2002 6:38 AM
will get you killed here in the Detroit area. No kidding around! Find a new group of respectful people to ride with or you're likely to get run over or worse.
Banging on peoples cars........african
Aug 28, 2002 6:54 AM
Thanks to what I have read on this forum I am going to be way more carefull out there.

But I must say I am sure looking at someone the wrong way will get you killed in Detroit. Here in Flooridah (sic) the retirement folk are not going to jump out and shoot you.
shoe clips in and brain turns offAaronL
Aug 28, 2002 8:51 AM
I've seen this same stuff for many years at every city I've lived and ridden in. Guys that are normally mellow, kind, thoughtful and all the other boy scout stuff turn into wild, thoughtless maniacs when they get on the bike.

With our club we litterally have the same safety speech every thursday and every thursday the ride does the same stupid stuff. The brain just turns off with some people.

It's the same everywhere, and it will never change.
deja vuSteve98501
Aug 28, 2002 9:15 AM
eschelon,

Seems to be pretty common. Our loosely organized Tuesday/Thursday club rides are the best training opportunity around. Yet the most experienced and skilled riders - who are always reminding us of the importance of observing the rules of the road - are the very ones who blow it off once the ride is under way. With a pack of 35 riders, not everyone is going to make it through an intersection with a green light. The unwritten rule is that you never get behind at a signal light intersection because the pack takes no hostages. If you don't blow on through the intersection (and I've seen 7 or 8 riders go through full red lights) you are dropped. Catching up to the group is almost hopeless.

We end up with about 5 or 6 of us at the back of the pack, knowing we'll be dropped within two traffic lights on the way out of town, but we've decided somebody's got to set an example in the club. It's still a good ride, but admittedly not as challenging as trying to hang with the big boys, which requires blowing traffic lights and stop signs.

Steve
deja vuafrican
Aug 28, 2002 9:38 AM
Thats exactly what happens. You have to blow lights to hang on with the good guys. I like to hang at the back and shout "car back". But heck I am the one who gets to go through a red light just to hang on, yes I can stop and get dropped. Now I hang near the front as I have learnt it is every rider for himself/herself.

I have shouted my guts out at the idiots that jumped the lights and you know what, I looked like the idiot and even got reamed by the "good riders" but screw em, I have been training secretly and now I can hang with them in front so they can't drop me.

Do you have riders where you are that don't wear helmets on group rides and they jump lights and they bang on cars with their fists.

Rant over.
deja vuSteve98501
Aug 29, 2002 11:15 AM
Club rules require helmets, so no one would show up without one. Club rules also require that we observe rules of the road, but that isn't so obvious at the park where the ride begins, only afterward and we are out on the road with a traffic-signaled intersection ahead. Although the Tues/Thurs rides begin at 5:30, during rush hour, once we're out of town, traffic is pretty light, so we're never stuck among cars, and the reasons to bang fists on cars don't happen.

My main concern is safety. My second concern is the image club riders project in the minds of the motorists who witness the flagrant violations. That leads back to safety; motorists seeing cyclists breaking traffic laws may lead to disrespect for cyclists, and possibly disregard for our safety while "sharing the road." My third concern is that the violators are often wearing club jerseys with the sponsors names on them. Sponsors get flack from motorists who see these jerseys on bikes blowing through red lights.

Blowing red lights only works against us, yet it is the only way an improving rider can hope to hang with the fast pack.

Steve
Same feeling with most intense relationships (marriage, etc.) nmrtyszko
Aug 28, 2002 9:30 AM
I wouldn't go on a ride like thatMr Good
Aug 28, 2002 7:19 PM
I've seen it before...it ends in tears. Someone hit by a car, or the cops crack down on those "stupid bicyclers."

That's why I only train alone or with a small trusted group. I'm also lucky that our local club does Tuesday night training crits on a closed course. Anyone who wants to be fast gets to go for it without worrying about traffic.

If you have so many hotheads in your town who are ready to race, then why doesn't someone scout out a location for a real weeknight crit? I know it would take time and effort, but isn't there at least one racing club who could spread the work among a group of people?
Mr.Good, are you in Michigan? (nm)fz4vgq
Aug 29, 2002 4:19 AM