|Is this a fred?||fbg111|
Aug 25, 2002 1:07 AM
|Still trying to figure out exactly what a fred is. Last night I saw two guys riding Giant TCR Team's with full ONCE markings. They were also completely decked out in ONCE-branded racing clothes. Thought that was a little excessive, as they were obviously not ONCE racers (this being Southeast NC and one was heavyset with a bit of belly). Is that a fred?|
|re: Is this a fred?||Bill B|
Aug 25, 2002 1:17 AM
|No, they are fans. If wearing a full team kit is too much for you, don't do it. Some people like to match, good for them. We should really be worrying more about the drivers buzzing us and the police who can't understand why that upsets us.|
|re: Is this a fred?||kcd|
Aug 25, 2002 2:00 AM
|Did these guys have bars higher than the seat and rotated upward with pump and/or mirror attached to a frame with color coordinated wheels or wear knee-length socks/shorts with a camelbak?|
|re: Is this a fred?||garhead|
Aug 25, 2002 3:33 AM
|People here get a bit sensitive when that question gets asked but in short YES!!|
|re: Is this a fred?||willin|
Aug 28, 2002 10:48 AM
|Roadbiking is full of goofs. One of the goofiest things I have come accross in biking is the obsession with fredism.
Listen, this is a sport where grown men wear lycra, spend $75 for jersys of teams they never will ride on, consider it normal to walk around with numb nuts from time to time (and I understand from talking to folks, weeks at a time for crying out loud), shave their legs--and consider folks freds if they do not.
Its how you feel, not how you look, and those guys probably felt they were cool. Looked goofy though, I am sure...my nonbiker friends think I look goofy and I try to tone it down. "Lycra is fred"
|People can correct me if I'm wrong.||Leisure|
Aug 25, 2002 3:49 AM
|My understanding has been that, in the context of stereotyping which I don't approve of, fred's are either underdressed or fashionably oblivious while presumably slow. Posers are overdressed to convey an image of speed when in actuality they are definitely slow. The worst-case fred wears baggy shorts or even jeans and a white John Deere t-shirt, is scruffy-looking with a beer gut dribbling sweat all over the place even though he is piddling about at 10 mph. The worst case poser constantly wears full-team gear and has all the most expensive equipment and is constantly carrying on about how awesome he is, but always falls miserably short of the image he tries to build up for himself.
Figure that however you want to, I don't encourage all that analysis. You never know when that "fred" could turn on the afterburners and leave you in his wake making you look like a poser.
|Takes one to know one...||filtersweep|
Aug 25, 2002 1:06 PM
|This whole set of concepts gets old fast. I don't know about anyone else here, but I wasn't born with the bike I ride today, and I didn't always have the finances to pretty much buy what I want to buy for clothing and accessories... and in my salad days, I had much more important priorties than how I looked when I was on my bike. Thank god those days are over for me, but I at least appreciate what I have.
I will bet EVERYONE here had some "Freddish" moments- and people probably get bent because they see themselves in those individuals.
Like it or not, there are certainly enough people wearing team kits to support the notion that it is "the thing to do." I probably saw a dozen Postal jerseys on my ride today... big deal (although my worst fear is that I'll receive one as a gift...).
Sure it looks silly seeing someone wearing Lycra TT booties over their shoes while in a full team kit riding 10mph on a heavily used MUT... but I don't know where he is going or where he has been, or if he wears an aluminum foil hat when he is not riding.
I think people just like to judge other people to feel better about themselves... and that there is a lot of envy that occurs (that turtle "doesn't deserve" to be riding a C-40 while wearing $400 in team clothing). Who cares? Look at the cars people drive? Look at the fashion disasters walking down the street every single day!
|1. Wear what you want. 2. Ride. -nm||cydswipe|
Aug 25, 2002 4:39 AM
|no, it's two freds!(nm)||merckx56|
Aug 25, 2002 6:21 AM
Aug 25, 2002 7:07 AM
|Hey folks...we are in a minority sport here. Anything that works towards the proliferation of the sport is only helping us felllow riders. Why put down someone because he buys a bike and team kit with no desire to race. His purchase is helping keep the bike industry in America alive so you serious cyclists who are true cyclists(not freds) can continue to wait for something to show up on ebay or go on close out mail order instead of paying full retail. That "fred" is also going to help with changes in American attitude about cyclists on the road. So until we see more cycling on TV than golf, why not give these guys a break.
Afterthought: Are all the fans at a football game/baseball game who are wearing their teams jersey/hat freds too?
|don't be the guy that wears the t-shirt of the band...||merckx56|
Aug 25, 2002 4:37 PM
|to the concert of that band! if someone showed up to a foursome wearing a nike hat and a red nike golf shirt with a piece of tape on his finger, he'd better be tiger! if not, the following five hours would be very hard for him!|
|Who cares?? At least they're riding.(nm)||MGS|
Aug 25, 2002 8:16 AM
|Why do you ask? (nm)||Spoke Wrench|
Aug 25, 2002 10:09 AM
|Does owning a Postal OCLV make me a Fred?||jose_Tex_mex|
Aug 25, 2002 10:30 AM
|Well, it's the Team's bike and I am not on their team. I guess I am a Fred.
I have the full kit as well and love it when I catch flak from snobby roadies. First hill we come to, they get "the look" and then dropped.
There's usually a comment that goes like: "hmmm, I guess the clothes do make a difference."
|Well said, jose... nm||Leroy|
Aug 26, 2002 3:11 AM
|re: Is this a fred?||fbg111|
Aug 25, 2002 1:48 PM
|This looks like more of a can of worms than it's worth then. Just curious, considering how many times I see the term fred used on biking forums. I guess all that really matters is if you can walk the walk. Everything else is window dressing.|
|No, they are not freds they are just||Lazywriter|
Aug 25, 2002 2:53 PM
|But aren't you...||PODIUMBOUNDdotCA|
Aug 25, 2002 5:15 PM
|For the record I always thought you were douchebag. Hmmm...
|re: Is this a fred?||DougSloan|
Aug 25, 2002 7:15 PM
Aug 25, 2002 8:23 PM
|Great article: never mentions clothing- nm||filtersweep|
Aug 26, 2002 5:10 AM
|#8 is the true definition of a "Fred"...||Dave Hickey|
Aug 26, 2002 6:17 AM
|"8. And finally, spending your spare hours name-calling other cyclists."|
Aug 26, 2002 6:19 AM
|after a group ride with a local team, the subject of leg-shaving||bill|
Aug 26, 2002 7:16 AM
|came up (mine were the only hairy legs in attendance -- a not unusual occurrence). The other riders were swapping stories about when/how they first started shaving, when it came out that the team actually has a by-law stating that the team uniform requires shaved legs. A new guy, a Cat 1 from out of town who seems to be considering joining the team, was in disbelief. His view was that, if you can tear someone's legs off, it doesn't matter whether yours aren't shaved and the other guy's are (he didn't elaborate on how it should be if you can't tear anyone else's legs off but just have a wife who thinks the whole idea is just too weird, a la moi, but I think that he would have if pushed).
Sort of an interesting fred/anti-fred story.
|You need a woman (or a man). The sooner the better. nm||tz|
Aug 26, 2002 8:29 AM