|Price for a Klein Quantum Race||mlbd|
Aug 21, 2002 3:48 AM
|LBS offered me one for $1600. How much do they usually go for? I wasn't really thinking about a Klein, but I liked the ride and it sounds like this is a good price. I'm getting either the Klein or a C'Dale CAAD5 from GVH with Ultegra, and Ultegra 6500 wheels for $1500. |
|Think it's around $2Kish||jtferraro|
Aug 21, 2002 5:01 AM
|$1600 sounds like a pretty good deal. I'm considering a Klein but have yet to test ride one. Just an FYI...I spoke to my friend who works at a LBS last night. He told me Klein's changes for '03. They, as people here eluded to, are offering a compact frame geometry, as well as their traditional frame geometry. They are also incorporating carbon seat stays into the Quantum Race(maybe even the Quantum?). I did a search on this year's Q Pro to see how people liked the carbon stays and the bike is rated 5/5. The only thing I don't think I like about the bike is that it has a proprietary headset/stem.
|the current Q pro||qp-rider|
Aug 21, 2002 9:13 AM
The current q pro carbon uses a standard (although oversize 31.7mm) stem, and the headset is now produced by Cane Creek. Klein moved away from the proprietary stem a year or so ago. I just got mine last week (insurance replacement) and love it.
I also heard that the '03s will all move towards a similar frame as that of the q pro carbon, meaning including the carbon seatstays. I don't know if they will move all to the new ZR9000 alloy as well.
Aug 21, 2002 10:05 AM
|All of the road bikes get the ZR9000 alloy and carbon stays. Conventional geometry is limited to the Q Pro Carbon Team (D-A), and the Q Pro Carbon (Ultegra). I think that the compact geometry bikes have graphics that remind me of the most garish of Gary Fisher bikes. UGLY! It looks to me like they are easing away from the fabulously classic finishes that Klein used to be known for. I'm in mourning.|
|Uh oh. All things Klein.||gs6769|
Aug 21, 2002 10:35 AM
|This sounds double plus un-good. To be honest, I've been avoiding seeing the new catalog for fear of this sort of change. I've also been doing what I can to reserve judgement in the face of the 'Klein's dead now that Trek got a hold of them' chatter. I know you to be a keen Klein fancier though, Spoke Wrench so I'd put a lot more creedence in your take on things. How say you on the fate of these noble cycles? Have we seen the last of their greatness or is this a momentary burp?|
|Doesn't look good to me.||Spoke Wrench|
Aug 21, 2002 12:14 PM
|I guess I just don't understand Trek's marketing strategy. It looks to me like they're just setting all of these different brands to compete against one another. I'd want to target slightly different buyer groups for each of the four brands. I'd be positioning Fisher, Klein and LeMond to penetrate farther into the nitch markets and keep Trek both broad and mainstream. I think that would result in more overall unit sales.
Insted, it looks to me like they keep trying to make the periferal brands more mainstream. That's not going to increase the size of the mainstream market, so all that is going to do is to steal sales from Trek and one another. At the same time, it is going to reduce the brands desirability to the nitch buyers so they are going to lose some of those sales.
The nitch markets aren't necessarily big, but they are strong and loyal. The thing that surprised me most about the "What brands do you own poll" was the strong showing by Bridgestone. Here's a nitch brand that hasn't been sold in probably 10 years yet it still finished in the top ten on the poll. I think it's because they never abandoned their principles so even today they retain their core image.
It looks to me like Klein is abandoning their principles. If that's true, why would anyone want to buy one? I think that the nitch buyers, once they feel abandoned, are going to be impossible to win back. I suspect that Klein will be Trek's next Bontrager to be discontinued.
Aug 22, 2002 2:58 AM
|Very well put. I can liken it to your favorite band forgetting what they're good at and making an absolute crap album. Attempting to operate in a field in which they have no business and no hope of success. Looks like the naysayers may well be right in this case. Good thing my Chehalis Klein will last for many more years. Still, I'd like to think it's younger cousins won't be malformed mongrels.|
|re: Price for a Klein Quantum Race||ZonPlyr|
Aug 21, 2002 5:16 AM
|I was at my LBS yesterday looking at a new steed and noticed a Klein Quantum Race, it was an '02 model and was indeed priced at $1599, had to make sure the Visa was at home so I didn't take it home.|| |