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Would you by a Dean and cut it in half??(15 posts)

Would you by a Dean and cut it in half??ridefly
Aug 20, 2002 5:53 PM
Howdy all,
This winter I am thinking of ordering a Dean El Diente Ti road frame with a S&S coupling kit. I plan on doing a bike tour of Italy next May, and this is becoming an attractive option for me as hopefully, I will be doing a bike tour of a European country every year from now on. Initially, I was thinking of flying to Italy and ordering a custom Fondriest or Pinarello from one of the LBS, but the more I think about it, for travel purposes, a Ti frame with S&S seems like the best option. The Dean El D is one of the most affordable Ti frames around that is capable of using the S&S BTS couplers. $1200 for the frame and another $300-$500 for the BTS, $500 for the soft case and accessories. All told, I could probably get the Dean setup for about $2000 or go to Itlay and get the Italian steeds for about $1400 US for the Prince and $1800 US for the Carb Level. (BTW, I fly for free so I didn't factor in the airfare. I would have to deal with the 11 hr flight to Milan and the hassle of renting a car for a day.) Thanks for any inputs.
re: Would you by a Dean and cut it in half??jtolleson
Aug 20, 2002 7:49 PM
I have talked to a lot of folks who have couplers on high-end bikes (usually tandems and including ti) and they all swear they are rock solid and do not effect ride quality.

But for a single bike, will it really help you pack any smaller? If you still plan to put a wheelset in the same case, I'm wondering if couplers on the frame is really any advantage for travel. That I simply do not know.
This is a HUGE travel advantageCKS
Aug 20, 2002 8:38 PM
I travel with my bike at least once a month and UAL and AA now charge $80 EACH way, I think international is $60. Anyway, with S&S you can check your bike as normal baggage and not incur any charges.

I imagine travelling on trains through Europe would also be way easier...
many Euro carriers do not charge for bikescyclopathic
Aug 21, 2002 3:40 AM
so you're not really saving 80$ each way.
AgreeSpoke Wrench
Aug 21, 2002 5:03 AM
While it's not the kind of thing I can afford to do myself, I have friends who do overseas bike tours every year. The big issue isn't necessarily shipping the bike to and from your destination. The big issue is: "What do you do with the shipping box for the entire time that you are on vacation?" A standard bike box, even knocked down, doesn't fit into taxi's etc. very well. It's definitely a limiting factor.

I am very close friends with two couples who own Santana S&S tandems (the two most expensive bikes that I ever sold) that they frequently travel with. One is ball burnished titanium with extra couplers due to custom (extra large) sizing. It still fits into one BIG hard case. The big advantage of titanium is that it doesn't require painting so the normal wear and tear of frequent disassembly won't marr the finish.
Don't Agreepmf1
Aug 21, 2002 10:24 AM
I've done a bike tour in Italy and we got our bike cases (two of them) in a taxi. We were also able to store them at the airport in Pisa for about $3/day while we caught a plane down to Sicily and did the non-bike part of the vacation. We were not charged by the carrier and I understand most international carriers do not charge if it counts a one of your two pieces of luggage.

On the way home, we had so much crap in them, I thought the airline would refuse then for being so heavy (almost 100 lbs). No problem. The guy weighed them and flumped them onto the conveyor belt.

It is a hassle traveling with a bike case. Its not something you want to drag around. But I wouldn't go hacking a bike in half just to save a little space. Its definitely doable. If this guy flies free, then fly where you want to go and minimize the train trips.
Thanks for the info!jtolleson
Aug 21, 2002 6:52 AM
Even with the wheelset, no problems packing small enough?
I don't think that all of the cases are exactly the same size.Spoke Wrench
Aug 21, 2002 8:38 AM
You might want to check that the case you get is sized to fit 700c wheels.

I read a post on tandem&hobbs that said they used two cases that nested one inside the other for storage. I know for sure that the giant tandem fit into one big case because that's the way it was UPSed from California. Normally tandem shipping charges are about $100.00 each way because they have to go truck freight. The UPS charges were about $30.00.

An interesting aside, the buyer was able to track the UPS shipment of his bike in real time. He called me to ask how it looked probably before the UPS driver cleared the parking lot.
uh, woh there, cowboy!bikerfox1
Aug 20, 2002 10:08 PM
Although it's been a few years, the last time I heard of, and travelled overseas, checking a bike with the rest of one's luggage was FREE. Better check with someone who's been overseas recently. Also, what about purchasing a bike Friday? Just a thought.
He has a new bike that will do what you desire, although it is steel rather than Ti. I saw Tom riding one on a ride last month in Colorado, I couldn't tell that it came apart until he pointed it out. It's called the Break Away, if you have any interest check it out at his website... http://www.ritcheylogic.com/ACE-
Aug 20, 2002 10:40 PM
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Thanks for the info, checked out their site...ridefly
Aug 20, 2002 11:07 PM
but there is no price for the breakaway. I was leaning toward Ti because I thought that it would be a better material for a traveling bike. But the S&S BTS adds about a pound to the overall weight of the bike whereas the Ritchey design looks to be a minimal weight gain. As far as the ride goes, does anyone know how the Dean ED ti compare against the Ritchey Road Logic? Thanks.
Tom said...ACE-
Aug 21, 2002 9:50 PM
His bike was less than 18 pounds with Dura Ace. Don't know about the Dean.
I would order one in Italycyclopathic
Aug 21, 2002 3:53 AM
just because I've traveled with bike and it is a hassle if you don't have someone to pick you up. Getting one and bringing it back saves you one trip. Besides, Campy equipped Carb would be easy to sell in US for almost as much as you paid for. When you get the bike save the box for return trip, no need to buy the case.

Couplers sound interesting and if you can reduce bike to fit airline legal suitcase, would be a good way to travel in US. Unfortunately I don't think wheels would fit suitcase, maybe 650c?
700 wheels fit in airline standard S&S case (nm)Ray Sachs
Aug 21, 2002 5:05 AM
yeah.. sort ofcyclopathic
Aug 21, 2002 5:57 AM
and this is how it looks