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would you buy this bike???(29 posts)

would you buy this bike???daneil
Aug 20, 2002 6:16 AM
Kestrel 200 SCI complete bike. It is 54 cms. It is 8 years old and has some scratches and paintchips. There are no cracks and it has been in no accidents. I would say the overall condition is fair. The frame is Kestrel 200 SCI, and the fork is Kestrel EMS. Components: brake levers / shifters - Dura Ace STI (1 year old). Derailler - Dura Ace (1 year old). Cassette - 9 speed, ultegra 12-23. Pedals - Dura Ace (1 year old). Crankset - Shimano 600. Front Derailler - Shimano 600. Bottom Bracket - titanium. Hubs - Shimano 600. Rims - Mavic Open 4 CD. Tires - Axial pro. Threaded headset. Saddle - San Marco ERA. Seat post - control tech. Bike weight without pedals is 18.5 pounds.
Nope.Spoke Wrench
Aug 20, 2002 6:28 AM
I sure wouldn't buy it from you because I don't think that you are an honest person. It looks to me like you are trying to cheat RBR out of their extremely modest fee for a classified. If you'll cheat them, how do I know you wouldn't cheat me?
He's not the sellerpmf1
Aug 20, 2002 6:30 AM
I'm guessing he's the buyer and he saw this on e-bay and wants to know what smart, in the know guys like you think.
Um actually...daneil
Aug 20, 2002 6:33 AM
It's not my bike, I'm actually thinking about buying it myself, but was questioning the pain chip. I have always listed my bikes on rbr's marketplace when selling and posting in the discussions section.

Thanks for playing!
Um actually...pmf1
Aug 20, 2002 6:35 AM
I would not worry about the paint chip. Paint chips off these frames fairly easily. You can touch it up with Testors model paint. The red is almost a perfect match for my frame. The black would probably work even better for a black frame.
In that case I apologise.Spoke Wrench
Aug 20, 2002 6:45 AM
I thought about posting my answer a little differently, but I wanted to make a real strong statement. I love this board, but they're having trouble financially and I want them to make it. I don't like it when I feel that people are cheating them. I also would never buy anything on-line from anybody who gave me the slightest inkling of lack of honesty.

Uh - of all bikes, I think that a 9 year old Kestrel would be the most difficult for me to estimate a value. I simply don't have any background for estimating carbon frame longevity.
I have onepmf1
Aug 20, 2002 6:29 AM
and have been considering selling it. Its about the same age, but I haven't been riding it the last few years since I bought my other two bikes. About 3-4 years ago, I replaced all the 8-v Ultegra components with 9-v Dura Ace components. I've been watching this auction to see what this guy is going to get for his bike. My frame has a few nicks near the BB, but no chips as bad as this one. The cranks are scruffed up -- this is only an aesthetic problem.

Frame: Kestrel 200 SCi (red)
Fork: Kestrel EMS
Components: Dura Ace 9-v
Wheels: Mavic Helium (never had any problems with them)
Pedals: Time EQ Mag (red)
Post: Control Tech
Saddle: Selle Italia Flite
Stem: Control Tech
Bars: Prima 200
Tires: Vittoria Open Mario (yellow)

Its a very red bike. I'd be happy to get $1200 for it. Am I dreaming? I see them going for around that here in the classifieds.
size and question...daneil
Aug 20, 2002 6:38 AM
what size is your SCi, I might be interested? I've always wanted a Kestrel and that's why I put this up when I saw it. But i'm worried about the paint chips. Is this just something wrong with the paint, or is it going to strucually weaken the bike. Also how does kestrel size? I ride a 50 cm c-c and 52cm ct, but according to the kestrel website they only size 51 and 54cm. Would the 54 be too large for me? my standover's around 31 inches give or take. Thanks

ps you can e-mail me at djs249@yahoo.com if you'd rather not respond on the board and be hounded with jump to conclusions posters.
size and question...pmf1
Aug 20, 2002 7:03 AM
Mine is a 56 cm -- and if anyone buys it because of this ad, I will send RBR the cost of a classified -- it wasn't my intention to sell it here, just wondered what its worth.

I think Kestrel sizes C-C, but am not sure. Mine is a pretty standard fit pretty equivalent to my Litespeed. Sounds a little big for you. Don't buy a too big bike.

Don't worry about the paint. I'm sure the owner boinked it hard against something. Paint chips fairly easily on these bikes. Its not like its exposing anything to the elements. You could touch it up and it would look fine.
size and question...Bike Fool
Aug 20, 2002 7:11 AM
Sure, I'd buy it. My Kestrel's about 6 years old and I definitely have a few paint chips off it. But I'm thinking this winter of sending it back to Kestrel for repaint/relabel, which last I heard was around $200. (Oh, BTW, I've got a 31" inseam and ride a 54cm.)
size and question...pmf1
Aug 20, 2002 7:24 AM
I think he said his bikes was 31 cm standover -- not inseam. I've got a 32 inch inseam and have a 56 cm frame.

Have you contacted Kestrel about repainting? Didn't know they did that.

The bike he's looking at is currently selling at $480 on e-bay, but who knows where it will go to. I see things going for ridiculous prices on that site.
ebay's prices have been going down...daneil
Aug 20, 2002 7:28 AM
as more and more shops start getting in 03 models and putting 02's on slae and 01's on clearance the prices on ebay come down quite a bit as well. things are selling for respecable numbers right now. but still it's ebay, that's mhy i'm still circling right now.
ebay's prices have been going down...pmf1
Aug 20, 2002 7:44 AM
For $500, its a steal.
ebay's prices have been going down...daneil
Aug 20, 2002 7:55 AM
even the ones that are listed as buy it now are around $850.
size and question...Bike Fool
Aug 20, 2002 8:54 AM
My LBS told me about it.
ah...definitive sizing from the horse's mouth...daneil
Aug 20, 2002 9:40 AM
aka.. I looked it up!

From Kestrel_USA

Measuring Kestrel Frames:

General: Kestrel frame geometries are based on center-to-center measurements. Frame size is measured along the seat tube axis, from the center of the B/B to the "theoretical" top tube centerline. Because of our oversize carbon tubes, and to fit a greater range of riders, we typically lower and/or slope the top tube (relative to the theoretical centerline) to produce more standover clearance. See the “Frame Specs” information given for each model within the “Products” section of this website for exact frame sizes and geometries.

200, 300, 500 and Talon series: As a result of the above, the top of the top tube on Kestrel road bikes is roughly located on the theoretical top tube centerline. Center-to-center frame size can then be approximated by the measurement from center of B/B to top of "actual" top tube where it intersects the seat tube axis.
Note: For 200, 300 and 500 series frames, measuring to the top of the seat binder will add approximately 2.5-3.0 cm (about 1”) compared to the center-to-center measurement. For Talon, measuring to the very top of the seat tube will add about 1.3 cm (approx. 1/2”).

So that sets it, the 54cm should fit me, even though I normally ride a 51cm c-c frame.
size and question...daneil
Aug 20, 2002 7:26 AM
well I just checked my inseam at work. man am i glad it's a slow day, standing in my socks with a ruler. it somes out to 31.6". according to the kestrel website the standover on the 54cm is 30.7". this should be fine right? the top tube will be a little long with a 100mm stem. about 6mm. like I said, a little. let mw know what you think. Thanks.
size and question...pmf1
Aug 20, 2002 7:49 AM
The old stand by fitting formula for a C-C bike is (that I'm sure someone will flame me on) is inseam * 2/3. So 31.6 * 2.54 * 0.67 = 53.78 pretty close to 54. The stem is cheap to change. Check out Colorado Cyclist or some other sites for fit formulas and Ketrel's for geometry. Sounds like it would fit you.
what about the chipped paint...daneil
Aug 20, 2002 10:00 AM
I know that you said it was a problem with the paint on these bikes, but what can I use to fix it? I want to keep the carbon protected from stray rocks and the like. Can I use nail polish like on a alloy or steel bike? Can I just throw a coat of nailpolish clear coat on it? Or is there some kind of special paint that I need to use?

Thanks, I think I might have my new bike, if the bidding doesn't get too crazy.

-Daniel
what about the chipped paint...pmf1
Aug 20, 2002 10:41 AM
Carbon fiber is no where near as fragile as you think. The paint isn't protecting it from rocks anymore than your skin is protecting you from scrapes when you fall. The bike could be one big paint chip and still be just fine. Its just like any other frame material. If the paint chips, just use some touch up paint if you're picky about how it looks. If you're not, then don't worry about it. Its not like it rusts, oxidizes or comes unwrapped.

A stray rock is not going to hit your frame and ruin it. They make race car bodies and aerospace components out of this stuff ... its very tough.

There is no real problem with paint on these bikes. It chips a little easily, but no worse than most other bikes I've had.

Kestrel does not sell touch up paint (at least they didn't a few years ago when I called them). They recommended using Testors model paint. You can find it in bobby stores and it works quite well.

If you get it for $500 or so, you'll have scored a good deal. Good luck.
last question...at what price would this bike not be a deal?(nm)daneil
Aug 20, 2002 11:50 AM
Hard to saypmf1
Aug 20, 2002 12:04 PM
I think people who post on this board are awful low on used bike prices. The last bike I sold was a 2 year old Fuji Cross for $650. It retailed for $1100.

Guess it depends on how bad you want it. The components are a real mix, but certianly functional. I'd be happy to get $1200 for mine ... or less ... and its a bit nicer. So I dunno, maybe $750-$800.
seller just got back to me...daneil
Aug 20, 2002 12:16 PM
from the e-mail "It has been ridden about 1 time each month since it was bought."

The seller seems to be an upright kind of guy, he has a 452 positive reviews on ebay, more than enough for me to consider him trustworthy. I think i'm just going to put in a number tomorrow and see what happens. How much beating could this thing have possibly taken with only 12 rides a year for 8 years? Unless each one was a century or a race then the frame should be fine right? I guess at this point I'm just shopping for re-assurance. If I could get this for less than a new 105 equipped bike I think it would make a great first real roadbike to train this winter and race on next year. Thanks again
seller just got back to me...pmf1
Aug 21, 2002 4:07 AM
Even if he's ridden it a few thousand miles a year, its still going to be fine. Carbon bikes don't fatigue and degrade over time. The Kestrel frames are a one-piece design built without lugs. Its a very robust frame.

Chances are that its been ridden very little. I shudder to think of how many nice bikes sit in garages and basements only to get ridden a few times a year.

The only drawback is that the fork is threaded and a bit heavy. Still, the over-all bike probably weighs in at around 19 lbs -- certianly not a pig.

I have been happy with mine. It has a smooth ride and is very stiff in the BB. Just in case, you might want to try a carbon bike at a LBS to see if you like it. The ride is very different from aluminium or steel. Some like it, others don't.
re: would you buy this bike???gtx
Aug 20, 2002 7:04 AM
How do you know no cracks or accidents? I wouldn't buy a used carbon anything.
re: would you buy this bike???MXL02
Aug 20, 2002 8:52 AM
Interesting...that's my take on used Carbon also...although it is only based on speculation. Do you have any facts or data about Carbon life span, failure rates, etc?
what about with warranty?daneil
Aug 20, 2002 9:33 AM
Assuming of course that the original owner kept the proof of purchase then the worst that you could be stuck with is a new kestrel frame for a nice discount if the used one breaks.
bought 3 carbon fiber treks used, didn't have any problem.PeterRider
Aug 20, 2002 9:37 AM
No warrantyCT5
Aug 20, 2002 12:37 PM
The lifetime warranty is only for the original owner on Kestrels.