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What other recreational sport costs as muchGiles
Aug 19, 2002 8:25 PM
for equipment as cycling? Just wondering. The only one I can think of is Golf. Is this why cyclists are elitists and there is all of this discussion about "Freds"?

I spent about $1,300 on my bike, but most people I see riding have much more expensive equipmemt. At times it does make me feel like a "Fred". I don't worry about it thought, because I just like to ride. Interesting sociologically.
Cycling is a bargain ...j-son
Aug 19, 2002 10:15 PM
Compare this sport to other hobbies:
Bass Fishing ... hundreds if not thousands in rods, reels, etc. And the boat, well, a starter boat is $20K, and they go up rapidly from there.

Flying fishing ... hundreds, or more, for a nice bamboo rod. Flies, couple bucks each. And you need a lot. One trip fishing in Wyoming: $5k, easily.

Motorcyles: a basic hog is $12,000. And no one rides a basic hog. Figure the aforementioned figure for the bike plus another $3000 in customization. Then, $2000 for leather, helmet, etc.

Hot rod cars: Sky is the limit. Very easy to tie up $20-30,000 in one car.

Cycling: $2000 gets you a very nice bike. And for $5000 you can get a bike that is as good as anything you'd see in the Tour. ONce you get over the initial investment, cycling is a very inexpensive pass time. Most days, and most rides are virtually free. Just step outside your front door and start pedalling.

I guess I'm missing your point. Cycling does require a certain amount of equipment that costs a relatively large amount of money. And, I guess you're right in implying that it's not a sport for those making the minimum wage. But if you're comfortably middle class (as I am, and as most of those who post here probably are also), this sport is well withing reach.

Elitist? I don't think so. In Europe, cycling is a very blue collar sport. And I think that same blue collar mentality translates to American cycling as well. The mere act of riding is a very physical pursuit, sweaty and more often than not dirty.

Friends and co-workers have at times expressed shock and surprise at how much my bikes cost. But then, to me, it is equally ridiculous to spend thousands upon thousands of dollars on a huge chromed out motorcyle with state of the art (in 1970) technology.

But you know what? To each their own. What ever makes you happy. Spend your money how you see fit. I think that cycling is quite a bargain. And well worth the price of admission.
Cycling is a bargain ...Agree with j-sonroadcyclist
Aug 20, 2002 1:54 AM
Don't miss the opportunity to point out that CYCLING IS FREE! Golfers cough up big bucks to play AFTER having spent big bucks on equipment. As noted, fishermen also have to pay, swimmers pay for pool time too.

I imagine that triathlon has to be ALOT more expensive than cycling (3 sports).

Have you seen the cost of running shoes, shorts, tops?

Cycling IS a bargain!
my wife might disagree with you...ColnagoFE
Aug 20, 2002 9:06 AM
after buying me a pair of the new assos f1.13 bibshorts for my bday. she about had a heart attack at the price. never even realized how much they cost. i think she was expecting $50 max. same thing when she finds out how much the various components i sometimes buy cost. sure you buy new running shoes every 6 months, but you can buy an awful lot of shoes for the price of a c-40 w/ record 10! at least $200 bike shoes last quite a while.
its all relative...Steve_0
Aug 20, 2002 3:04 AM
Bass fishing - can do with rod and live bait - 50 bucks
Fly fish - waders and rod - 300 bucks
Motorcycles - Ninja250 - 3000 bucks
Cycling - Mint Condition Raleigh at a yard sale - 50 bucks

Its all what you want out of it and what youre willing to spend.

Personally, I dont think any activity is cheaper than swimming - absolutely zero dollars in equipment. $5 if you need goggles.
Agreedpmf1
Aug 20, 2002 4:11 AM
Name me one hobby or passtime where you can have the very best piece of equipment for $5000. Even fancy golf clubs cost more than that and that doesn't include the greens fee you pay everytime you use them. Cars, boats, motorcyles, stamps, coins, artwork, etc. can't come close.

The vast majority of noncyclists still think bikes are the same as when they owned that $300 Schwinn and are shocked that we spend thousands on a bike.
SwimmingSteve_0
Aug 20, 2002 5:00 AM
best goggles = 30 bucks.
Pool in back yard. $10k to $25K nmDave Hickey
Aug 20, 2002 5:23 AM
ocean - free. Bay - free. lake - free. YMCA - 2 bucks.Steve_0
Aug 20, 2002 7:54 AM
2 bucks X 365 days = $730 X 5 years = $3650 = nice bike (nm)TJeanloz
Aug 20, 2002 10:27 AM
fair enough, but Free X 365 days X 5 years = freeSteve_0
Aug 20, 2002 10:35 AM
If I were one of the 5 americans who didnt have access to an ocean, bay, or lake, college campus or district high school, I think i'd simply join a pool at ~30 X 12 X 5 = $2100, rather than the per diem fee. Besides health-club fees can be deductable, so we're talking $1407.
Sure, but bringing the ocean to my house is expensive.djg
Aug 20, 2002 11:47 AM
The Chesapeake Bay isn't too far. Tastes like chicken.
Yeah and running toopmf1
Aug 20, 2002 5:24 AM
I was thinking of a hobby or sport that involves significant equipment though. Kayaking may come close. I looked into getting into that once.

Still, compared to what a lot of folks are into, biking is pretty cheap.
best goggles = swedesSlacker Joe
Aug 20, 2002 9:22 AM
$5.

But I think of swimming only as exercise, not recreation.
cant get a good enough seal for full-contact ocean swimmingSteve_0
Aug 20, 2002 9:53 AM
I prefer TYR tecnos.
Cycling is a bargain ...Mel Erickson
Aug 20, 2002 5:24 AM
Bass fishing I agree with but fly fishing is no where near as expensive as you portray. Nobody uses a bamboo rod. These are things to hang on your wall as a collectors item. Flys are overpriced if you pay $2 each. Can be readily had for $1.25, less if you tie your own. I've got about $400 invested in equipment. Sure, you can invest more but I catch as many fish as some of my buddies who have $2,000 invested. My last trip to Montana (10 days end of July, beginning of August) cost me less than $500 (frequent flyer miles for plane ticket). I definitely couldn't go to the rockies for 10 days to ride for less, flying the bike would be $75-150 alone.

Biking (road and mountain) is definitely my most expensive sporting hobby (fly fishing and x-country skiing are the others). Now ,woodworking, that's a different story!
Anything involving internal combustion, but that doesn't count.Leisure
Aug 19, 2002 10:22 PM
I'm actually surprised when I see these road bikes costing $6000 or more while a custom speced full-suspension mountainbike will go for $4000. You'd think the FS mountainbike should cost more given the increased complexity. More evidence to substantiate the roadie-prick stereotype? Eh, who knows. I try not to focus on it too much, but yeah, the trends are there. And given that I am all for accumulating excessively expensive dream machines, I must be about as elitist as they come...

NOT!!
I've been saying the same thing...jtferraro
Aug 20, 2002 4:44 AM
wondering WHY road bikes cost SO much more than mountain bikes and are less complex(no suspensions, etc.)!

-Jeff
Sell price has nothing to do with cost.Len J
Aug 20, 2002 5:02 AM
Sell price has to do with what someone is willing to pay.

In answer to your question, People who ride road bikes are willing to pay more. You may not like it but it is the only thing that explains the price. If no one bought them at the price listed, prices would drop.

Len
plus there is much less demand for road bike stuff (nm)ColnagoFE
Aug 20, 2002 9:07 AM
Yeah, you guys are both right. I spaced-out there.Leisure
Aug 21, 2002 1:58 AM
I space on the whole production scale and demand things sometimes. I guess thinking in business terms isn't my thing.
Well....aeon
Aug 21, 2002 12:23 AM
There really isn't the obsessive engineering that goes into a road tube. High end mountain bikes are almost exclusively aluminum, and because the suspension design matters so much a lot of the business goes to large corporations like Trek, because they can devote a lot to r&d.

There isn't as much obsessive weight shaving too, cause you really don't want parts to fail on the trail.

Actually you CAN spend a ton on a mountain bike, but mostly in the freeride/downhill areas. An expensive state of the art frame, state of the art fork and shock, and bulletproof parts will run you quite a bit.
Guess I'm all sorts of spacey lately.Leisure
Aug 21, 2002 2:06 AM
I forgot about the whole DH side of the spectrum. I guess my point was that since XC mountainbikes have so much more market share, you would think that a larger number of people would be willing to spend even bigger bucks on the latest and greatest, and with suspension adding to the complexity, companies would have more excuse to rationalize to buyers that their price is worth it. But maybe I shouldn't talk anymore, lest I end up encouraging mountain companies to up their prices...
If it flies, floats or f***s, its expensive. nmSnowbird
Aug 20, 2002 3:26 AM
f***s, farts?kilimanjaro
Aug 20, 2002 1:08 PM
i think he meant the 'other' f word (nm)ColnagoFE
Aug 20, 2002 1:43 PM
How much does it cost to die at an early age?MXL02
Aug 20, 2002 3:40 AM
I know one couch potato who keeled over walking off the 18th green. This sport keeps me fit both mentally and physically....I could not do my job without it. Even running is more expensive, if you count the cost for back surgery it cost me. I'll go with cycling any day.
re: What other recreational sport costs as muchtarwheel
Aug 20, 2002 3:52 AM
There are many sports that can be more expensive than cycling (although I would question whether some of the activities listed above are really sports), but there is no doubt that cycling isn't cheap. Sure, you can get by riding a $50 garage sale bike and some cutoff shorts, but not many serious cyclists are satisfied with that for long. A lot of what makes cycling expensive is the demand for new gear created by reading cycling magazines and catalogues. I could get by riding my 17-year-old Bianchi, but who can resist the urge to spend big bucks on a ti or carbon frame that might make hill-climbing a little quicker and easier. It's also easy to get bored wearing the same old single color Performance jerseys that only cost $20, so then you start thinking you need some team jerseys, Castelli shorts, Sidi shoes, etc. A lot also depends on how much you ride. When I was riding 200 miles a month, I could get by on a lot less. Now that I'm riding 600+ miles a month, I'm finding that I have to spend a lot more money on maintenance -- new tires, chains, cassette. I'm also a lot more particular about what I ride on and in -- eg, saddles, shorts, shoes, jerseys, etc. I justify my cycling expenses by not spending nearly as much money on beer, eating out at lunch, and work clothes as I used to.
Skiing ... SCUBA diving ... Mountaineering ... (nm)OffTheBack
Aug 20, 2002 4:31 AM
re: What other HOBBY?......TommyRides
Aug 20, 2002 4:59 AM
I consider cycling a hobby as much as I do a recreational sport. The main reason I say this is the quest for "gear" and "stuff" that most cyclists have and collecting bike stuff and bike related stuff makes it truly a fun hobby as well as a means for exersise and recreation.

I have well over 3,000 invested in a road bike and full sus. MTB and I'm probably on the low end of the scale. I truly enjoy buying parts, doing research on the newest, strongest, lightest, etc..and reading about the sport..so am I a cycling hobbiest..or recreational cyclist...you tell me.!

Now talking about hobbies, as opposed to sports..you enter into a whole new realm..photograpy, painting, collecting, knitting?....$$ spent can be endless..
try sailing, car racing, golf, horse ownershipColnagoFE
Aug 20, 2002 5:30 AM
all much more $ than cycling.
Horses. Don't get me started on horses. nmscottfree
Aug 20, 2002 5:44 AM
Backpacking...liebejungen
Aug 20, 2002 5:44 AM
Backpacking has cost me a lot more than cycling has... but I dont' have the most expensive bike either. But getting good equipment for backpacking has cost me over 2k.

But after initial cost, both are a bargin!
re: SmokingDERICK
Aug 20, 2002 5:57 AM
While it may not be a sport, it can get very expensive. Like most of us here the people I work with freak out when they hear I own several bikes that cost in the thousands. The really funny thing is that nearly everyone I work with smokes. My favorite thing to do when the subject turns to my bikes is to give a little lesson in mathematics.
$3.00 a pack
2 packs a day (conservative for most of them)
multiplied by 365 days
comes to $2110.00 every year no matter what.
Then I remind them that I get to keep the bikes after spending the money.
Finally I remind them that over 1/2 the price of cigarettes is in taxes. Then I thank them for volunteering to take on the extra tax burben (over $1,000.00 a year).If everyone quit smoking at once we would all have to pay more in taxes to cover the loss of revenue.That would really eat into my cycling budget.
When you look at it this way cycling doesn't seem too expensive.
re: TOTALLY DISAGREEcyclejim
Aug 20, 2002 6:03 AM
It is of course not necessary to spend $1300 on a bike, or even $500 on a bike. I see PLENTY of people on the road and the trail with cheap bikes. If you want to get elitist you can spend a lot of money in lots of different sports.
Paintball!slide
Aug 20, 2002 6:04 AM
Try paintball on for size. Good gun, $1300; top of the line HPA system, $500; barrells, $300; mask, $80; clothes $120; paint every time you want to play $20-100!!!! There was a time when I could easily drop $100 for 1 day worth of paintball. Now try doing that once a week and now your talking expensive.
Paintball!PhatMatt
Aug 20, 2002 3:42 PM
If a good gun is 1300. I am screwed I though mine was good. Or are you talking a great Tournement level gun. IE Angel, Cocker ect. But I do agree with you Paintball is expensive. But playing outlay is fun too.

Matt
Paintball!slide
Aug 20, 2002 6:23 PM
Yeah, I was talking tourny guns. You can get a good one for much less. What do you have?
Spyder ShutterPhatMatt
Aug 20, 2002 7:01 PM
I only play a few times a year and ould not justify the price of the cocker I wanted to the wife. But I have no complaints about the spyder. I changed teh spring kit and went to a taso valve ... and 9v rev hopper. I amy look into getting one of the LCD grips.

Matt
What does membership at a gym or Y or health club cost?scottfree
Aug 20, 2002 6:05 AM
What are the transportation costs associated with driving to and from the gym? I wonder of you amortized bike expenses over the course of, say, five years, how they would compare?

A $2000 bike would cost $33 per month over 5 years. I probably spend (averaged over the year) another $60 a month on supplies/accessories (tires, tubes, shorts, jerseys, cleats, lube, chains, trinkets, freewheel-hoarding etc). Round up and say a hundred bucks a month for bike and supplies.

I have no idea what a health club costs, but that would be a figure to compare to.

I know golf costs more than that.

I know from painful personal experience you can't even THINK about horses for that.

It costs more than that to feed my two Bloodhounds.

My d*ckheaded redneck brother-in-law pays more than that just for marina space for his fishing boat on Dale Hollow Lake.

It's an expensive sport, all right, but as Steve_0 points out, we make it more expensive than it has to be by our compulsive and conspicuous consumption of the latest and greatest.
ballpark is $50-100 per monthColnagoFE
Aug 20, 2002 7:10 AM
i also lift weights during my lunch hour so i have that expense on top of my cycling.
Our YMCA, $38 per month for single,$50 for two. A bargin.(nm)theBreeze
Aug 20, 2002 12:29 PM
Denver downtown Y is something like $48/monthColnagoFE
Aug 20, 2002 1:46 PM
a bargain compared to foo-foo clubs around here which charge over $100/month.
Backpacking...liebejungen
Aug 20, 2002 6:09 AM
Backpacking has cost me a lot more than cycling has... but I dont' have the most expensive bike either. But getting good equipment for backpacking has cost me over 2k.

But after initial cost, both are a bargin!
Cycling is Inexpensive!Chen2
Aug 20, 2002 6:14 AM
Even if you ride the best.

My first full pass on a waterski slalom course cost me $20,000, back in 1981. I use to average at least $15,000 a year in tow boat depreciation, insurance, fuel, tow truck depreciation, skis, ropes club dues, special clothing, etc. Waterskiing can be an expensive sport.
~Al
I would pay $1400 a semester just to row for my schoolniteschaos
Aug 20, 2002 9:17 AM
Try jumping out of a perfectly good airplaneDMoore
Aug 20, 2002 9:18 AM
A current skydiving rig, consisting of main and reserve canopies, container, and automatic opener, will run around $5K. Oh sure you can cut corners, buy factory seconds, used, etc... (Slightly used! Just jumped once!) That gear has a finite life span, unlike a bike that lasts basically forever. When a parachute is worn out (500 to 750 jumps) it MUST be replaced! Once you've got your gear (figure another $500 for jumpsuit, helmet and altimeter) you then get to pay $18 or so per jump for the plane ride. And it's easy to make 200 or more jumps a year for a recreational jumper - the hardcore make over 1000 jumps a year. Add up those numbers -- and cycling is cheap!
i've been in those airplanes. 'perfectly good' is not accurate.Steve_0
Aug 20, 2002 10:19 AM
Well yeah...DMoore
Aug 20, 2002 9:53 PM
The standard question is "why would you want to jump out of a perfectly good airplane?" The answer usually involves a variation on the theme of "you don't know much about jump plane maintenance, do you? I never have jumped out of a perfectly good plane." On the other hand, most whuffos (non-skydivers) think any plane that's wings level and not on fire is good enough that there's no reason to jump from it.
maintaining a bikeyeah right
Aug 20, 2002 9:39 AM
I certaintly don't think anyone should feel like a fred, or care, especially on a $1300 bike (that isn't a p.o.s. price anyway).

Although a few people (tarwheel for one i think) have touched on the cost repair/replacement for bikes, I still don't think we factor that in enough to the cost of the sport. Now that I'm riding enough miles to actually wear stuff out quickly, I'm realizing it gets pricey.

For me in a year I bet I'll go through:

$30 in look cleats
$60 for a new casette and chain
$120 for two sets of rubber (@ $30 a tire)
$100 easy to replace worn clothing, special purpose stuff
$30 in bar wrap
$100 on replacing broken stuff (derailer, replace handle bars, worn chainring, etc.)

so even that is $440 in maintinence expenses for one year, and that's not even a year when your gear is wearing out and you need to replace lots of stuff, nor do i ride 1/3 miles as most people.

out of interest, lets say you buy a car for $15,000. and own it for 10 years and put 120,000 miles on it total. Assuming that gas + repairs are about $.35 a mile you've spent 42k +15k = 57k or $.475 a mile assuming complete depriciation of the car.

Say you own one bike, pay $2000 for it, ride 2000 miles a year and own it for 10 years (it's steel, ha ha ha). Now figure you spend $.15 a mile on repairs/replacement of parts ($300 a year), you pay $5000 or $.25 a mile only 40% of which was the cost of the bike.

While cars are expensive, so is maintaining bikes. However, that doesn't calculate in the effect of fitness on an individual, the benefit of not burning fossil fuels and fun. I'll take biking whenever possible.

Now one of my other hobbies, target shooting...guns $$$ ammo $$$ gun club membership...
I think that it comes down to <i>sport</i> vs. <i>hobby</i>mmquest
Aug 20, 2002 9:44 AM
As sports go, cycling is fairly expensive. You can outfit yourself for baseball, basketball, soccer, running, swimming, etc. for pretty cheap. With most of these sports you really only need to buy shorts, a shirt and a pair of shoes, which cost no more than cycling clothing. (Although one cycling benefit is that most sports require teams, while cycling doesn't.)

However, as a hobby, I would agree that cycling is a bargain. $5000 will not get close to buying a top-of-the-line boat, car, motorcycle, summer home, etc.
Arent sports a hobby?Steve_0
Aug 20, 2002 10:21 AM
Swimming is certainly a hobby of mine. $5.
re: What other recreational sport costs as muchOTG
Aug 20, 2002 10:52 AM
Competitive rowing isn't cheap, either. Around $6500 for a high quality boat, $450 for a good set of oars, maybe $50 a month for club membership, plus of course travel/hotel costs. Recreationally, you can probably get away with less, but boats don't start much below $3000.
Skiingjtolleson
Aug 20, 2002 2:01 PM
not only can you easily drop over a grand on average quality gear, you spend $50 every time you go out. Starts to make cycling seem like a real bargain!
re: roadracing a motorcycle!!!!!!!!!!!stik__boy
Aug 20, 2002 3:20 PM
5 members on my team affectionately known as "team dnf".....although we are no slouches...... 4 regional championships last year. and as many as 4 more coming to us this year. one guy spent $23,000 dollars last year, for one season.....
Competieve Shooting (IPSC)/ RC Car racingPhatMatt
Aug 20, 2002 3:51 PM
I use to and still shoot IPSC fromt ime to time. I am in in alot more than my bike. It is like 2500-3500 for a gun, 100 per mag 150-200 for a good belt and holster. And lets not forget the reloading press, and the price for brass bullets and powder every time you want to shoot. I could by a C-40. ... I dabbled in RC car racing for a while it was fun just to dam expensive. Ti this and Ti that Batteries ect. I will stick to cycling for now.

But I like my bike. And I do not have to pay when ever I go out to play.

Matt
my hobbiesakatdog
Aug 20, 2002 11:48 PM
SCUBA $3000-$4000
Kayaking $800-$1200
Biking$1800-$3000
Rockclimbing $250-climbing just started
Paintaball $500+
Computer Gaming $4000-$6000
Backpacking$1000-$1500
Golf $300-$500
Woman $4000+ diminishing returns
Shooting $1000+
Running $500
Triathlons $500 rising

Hospital bills for all this = priceless

ride on