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Question about Tums(14 posts)

Question about TumsKristin
Aug 19, 2002 6:18 AM
What about Tums that helps leg cramps? And how quickly does it work? I've taken them before and it seems to work quickly (15-30 minutes) or is that just placebo affect?
Tums!! Never heard of it helping leg cramps, maybe stomachPaul
Aug 19, 2002 6:31 AM
cramps. What I do (especially in this heat), is eat extra salt night before, potato chips are great. And I carry salt pills with me during the ride. Salt is what carrys the electrolytics to your muscles, not enough salt, cramps. Yesterday's Club ride, temp was 98 degress, could feel the heat coming off the hard top, had to be over 100. Body, clothes, covered with salt. Popped a couple of salt pills. I use to cramp in the heat, but so far so lucky following the above.

Maybe there is salt in tums?? Hmmm.
calcium depletionDougSloan
Aug 19, 2002 7:56 AM
Yes, calcium is lost in sweat, too. On long rides many ultra riders will take a few Tums to avoid cramping. Check out Endurolytes from Hammer Nutrition, too. http://www.e-caps.com/products/product_detail.cfm?sku=EL

Doug
Hmmm. So...Kristin
Aug 19, 2002 8:15 AM
This talks about electrolyte replacement to help prevent cramps, it doesn't say anything about helping once cramps begin.

Heres the deal. After a much longer than planned July 4th ride, my legs were pretty sore...that dull achey feeling that I've always called cramps. Someone had told me that Tums could help with this, so I tried it. The cramps seemed to be better within 30 minutes. But I'm still wondering if it was all in my head. Any thoughts?
same thingDougSloan
Aug 19, 2002 8:39 AM
I think preventing cramps and curing cramps is the same thing. Calcium is an electrolyte necessary for proper nerve function. You sweat out too much of it, and you get problems. Of course, it's better to prevent cramps than to try to cure them after they set in. In either event, you are doing the same thing -- replacing electrolytes.

"The E-CAPS Endurolyte Heat Stress Formula has been designed to counter the effects of hyperthermia and enhance endurance performance beyond the 3-hour mark where heat is a factor. Calcium is the most abundant mineral in the human body (about 2.85 pounds in the average person). When blood volumes run low, the body extracts it from the bones, but this may take more time than competition allows. A constant blood calcium level is required for a normal rhythmic heartbeat, healthy nerve transmission, and strong muscle contractions. A deficiency in blood calcium levels during endurance events may produce high blood pressure, muscle cramps and weakness. During exercise energy is produced by the conversion of fatty acids and amino acids with enzymes which are calcium-dependant." http://www.e-caps.com/knowledge//techdetail.cfm?&id=29&sub=technical%20manuals

Doug
I second the Endurolytes.dzrider
Aug 19, 2002 9:33 AM
There is no question in my mind that the muscles in my calves and feet work better and longer when I take them. I took them to prevent cramping which is different and more painful for me than what Kristin described. I didn't realize until I took them that my muscular performance begins to decline long before cramps start. I believe that I last longer with them than without them and if it's a placebo, I'm fine with it.
Calf musclesKristin
Aug 19, 2002 9:41 AM
How come everyone I hear talking of cramps talks about calf muscles? My quads are what hurt when I ride.
I second Endurolytespmf1
Aug 19, 2002 9:52 AM
Got 2 bottles last winter when they had their gel on sale (also good stuff). I've used Tums in the past, but the Hammer Endurolytes work just great. I think I recover faster from long rides. GNC may have something similar.
For Stomach Never, but.....Dragon33
Aug 19, 2002 9:10 AM
I did use them to get me through a 12hour Solo Mountain bike race. They work.
Risks of Hyponatremia (low sodium in blood).Paul
Aug 19, 2002 10:26 AM
Risks of Hyponatremia
Hyponatremia, a low concentration of sodium in the blood, has become more
prevalent in endurance athletes. The Hawaii Ironman Triathlon routinely sees
finishers with low blood sodium concentrations. Adequate sodium balance is
necessary for transmitting nerve impulses and proper muscle function, and
even a slight depletion of this concentration can cause problems. Ultra
distance running events that take place in hot, humid conditions, and have
athletes competing at high intensity have conditions prime for hyponatremia
to develop.

Symptoms of Hyponatremia
The early warning signs are often subtle and may be similar to dehydration;
nausea, muscle cramps, disorientation, slurred speech, confusion, and
inappropriate behavior. At this point, many athletes get into trouble by
drinking water because they think they are dehydrated. In fact, water alone
will increase the problem of hyponatremia. At the most extreme an athlete
may experience seizures, coma, or death.
Now see, that's not what I'm experiencingKristin
Aug 19, 2002 10:53 AM
Hmmm...I'm gonna talk to my Dr. about this the next time I see her. I have rarely excercise long enough to experience the above problem. I'm sure that I don't experience sodium/calcium depletion on two hour rides--not on my diet.

Sometimes I think my pain is coming from lactade(sp?) acid build-up over time. I'm still relatively weak on the bike and so even on tame rides I end up pushing myself into zone 4 just to muscle over this hill or that. The longer I'm on the bike the worse the pain is, but its nothing like a charlie horse or seized muscle. Its more like a dull constant ache in my quads. I'm really curious now. I've been plagued with these kind of leg cramps my whole life. They can be caused by excercise, but also simply from cold or wet feet or standing up too long. I'd love it if, someday, a doctor could tell me what the heck causes them.
Actually, there's a whole nother thread about what I experienceKristin
Aug 19, 2002 10:59 AM
http://forums.consumerreview.com/crforum?viewall@@.efb2d0e

This is a better description of what I'm experiencing. I may try the zinc/magnesium bit. I wonder if I have a natural defyciency in these minerals that makes my more suseptable to muscle pain.
zinc, magnesium, calcium, vitamin D supplementsTig
Aug 19, 2002 1:20 PM
I've been taking a mineral supplement (Twin Labs) with zinc, magnesium, calcium, and vitamin D this year with improved results over last summer without them. I make sure I use them the day before a long ride and take them with meals. Vitamin D is required to metabolize the calcium. I take them after a ride with a meal as well to help replenish what was sweated out.

I start cramping at about 35 miles during a hard 23 MPH+ ride, or 50 miles into slower paced rides during Texas' humid summer. I keep a roll of Tums/Rolaids as an emergency cramp relief, and they have helped in the past. The key is to start taking them as soon as you feel cramps begin. I've been adding a little Morton's Lite Salt to my sports drink as well.

After finding out 2 weeks ago that I have osteoporosis (I'm only 39!), I'm making sure I get plenty of calcium from veggies, yogurt and other dairy products. I recommend to anyone who is naturally thin and 35+ to get a bone density scan, and any woman over 40 to get one as well. Once bone material is gone, you will be able to replenish only a small amount after you reach your mid 30's.
X-strength Rolaids vs. Tumscoonass
Aug 19, 2002 5:52 PM
If you want your calcium via tablet, then take along Extra Strength Rolaids: 675mg Calcium & 135mg Magnesium (should be 2:1ratio, but still better than Tums) You may want to check out Twinlab's "Phos Fuel"(per 1 capsule): 0.375mg Thiamin, 5mg Niacin (Vit.B3), 0.5mg Vit.B6, 75mg Biotin, 2.5mg Vit.B5, 1000mg Sodium Phosphate, 204mg Postassium Bicarbonate, 12.5mg L-Camosine and 25mg Alpha Lipoic Acid; or Twinlab's "ATP Fuel" (per 1 cap): 1000mg Creatine, 100mg Postassium Phosphate and 20mg Adenosine Triphosphate; and last; Twinlab's "Cellmins CMP (per 1 cap): 100mg Calcium, 133mg Magnesium and 133mg Postassium. (These are less expensive than 'other' similar products and is produced by a reputable brand..if interested, check www.vitacost.com for some very good pricing