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Stem Police(15 posts)

Stem Policefiltersweep
Aug 17, 2002 2:21 PM
What's up with all the stem police around here you scoff at spacers, rising stems, etc...?

What makes anyone "right" or "wrong" about this issue. People are particularly insane in the gallery comments.

Why is it that half the manufacturers' web photos show the same thing: rising stems, spacers?
re: Stem Policefiltersweep
Aug 17, 2002 2:22 PM
Rises above the horizontal
re: Stem Policefiltersweep
Aug 17, 2002 2:29 PM
re: Stem Policefiltersweep
Aug 17, 2002 2:32 PM

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re: Stem Policefiltersweep
Aug 17, 2002 2:34 PM
I'll gladly suffer their taunts for a ride like this.sn69
Aug 17, 2002 2:59 PM
Seriously, aside from safety/manufacturers' concerns about excessive stack on carbon steerers, it just doesn't matter. It's personal preference--fit, feel, riding styles.

Not everyone races, and very few people can tolerate a six inch saddle to bar differental.

Now...can I have one of these Kliens to add to my stable? Please?!?!
re: Stem Policefiltersweep
Aug 17, 2002 3:01 PM
yes, they are all ugly set ups.colker
Aug 18, 2002 4:59 AM
give me a quill stem anyday of the week.
People can be stupidPODIUMBOUNDdotCA
Aug 17, 2002 5:02 PM
People will criticize anything they possibly can. And yes some of the concerns like handling trade-offs are valid but it doesn't justify taunting someone for it. Believe it or not it is humanly possible for some people with their stems facing up, or lots of spacers to beat someone with proper stem fashion! Just like someone on a junker can whoop a person on a Colnago C40.

People can be stupidAndy M-S
Aug 18, 2002 4:50 AM
Yes, they can. But a large part of what's going on is that it takes an effort to get low. This photo was taken in March, 2001, I had been riding this frame for a while (1,000 miles or so), and I thought this was a comfortable position:
People can be stupid (II)Andy M-S
Aug 18, 2002 4:58 AM
The following photo was taken in July of this year. Same frame, same wheels, same bars, 1cm shorter 73 degree stem, higher saddle, 175 (vs 172.5) cranks, same pedals. Sorry about the quality.

What made the difference? 5,000 miles or so. My old position was fine so long as I was on shorter rides. My new position is much better for long rides--the photo shows the bike on the sixth and final day of the Heartland AIDS Ride, 550 miles or so (hence the handlebar bag).

Much of the reason riders want raised stems has to do with some drawbacks of threadless design, and errors in frame design associated with that. Some has to do with choice of frame size. But much also has to do with the fact that many don't ride enough, or hard enough, to discover what we can do.

For the record: The frame is pretty much square, 55 c-c. I'm 5'11", 195#, 44 years old. Not a racer, just a go-fast rec rider/commuter.
Damn right.gs6769
Aug 18, 2002 6:30 AM
IMO one of the great advantages of the age in which we live is that there are so many options available to dial in bike fit and performance. This of course can be a double edged sword as it's quite possible to get lost in hype, message board opinions and bike nazi flaming. That said, I happen to like my riser stem not only for the fit, feel and handling it helps to provide but also for the sort of 'bucking bronco' look it lends to the bike. Flame away on a message board if you like, I'll be out enjoying my bike just as it is.
Damn right.johnjohn
Aug 18, 2002 7:08 AM
I think it's great that bike makers are showing stem/seat height setups that put riders into a reasonable zone of comfort. Hey, maybe they actually want people who aren't so concerned with "Cat status" and subcultural ellitism to enjoy riding their bikes.
stupid bar & lever position....C-40
Aug 18, 2002 8:08 AM
The idiot that set these bikes up has the brake hoods dropped well below the top of the bars. No wonder a lot of spacers and a high rise stem was required.

Deda or Easton EC-90 bars will keep the hoods up high and reduce the spacers and/or stem rise required.
Is it that or....cyclejim
Aug 18, 2002 6:48 PM
Is it that the bars themselves are angled downwards quite a bit? Take another look at that Klien. Its not the hoods its the bars that are angled down.