|Does anyone who rides a Litespeed hate it?||Fez|
Aug 15, 2002 7:55 PM
|Seems like a lot of folks hate/criticize Litespeeds.
Also seems like a lot of people on the board ride Litespeeds.
Anyone ride one and hate it?
|The criticisms have nothing to do||Lazywriter|
Aug 15, 2002 9:02 PM
|with the ride quality. People think they are some huge company that churns out 100,000 bikes per year and that posers and trendy people with too much money to blow on a first bike gravitate to them because they are so heavily marketed.
I own 2 of them and both are awesome. I have ridden Trek, Fondriest, Cannondale, Schwinns, Fuji, Scapin, Bottechia and Litespeed and the LS is by far the best I have owned. There is nothing to hate in that they, like most other high end bikes are very well made and perform great. It really is an "image" issue and people here have hard ons for the smaller more exclusive bicycles companies that have an air of mystique. But mark my words, if Seven started selling as many bikes as LS, people would start with the bulls$#$ that they are crap, sell outs, have decrease in quality as they grow bigger blah blah blah.
It is the same reason why some purist Italian wannabees despise the more advanced and high tech frames as they deviate from traditional design. I respect a classic machine, but I cannot criticize innovation. A vintage porsche is beautiful, but a new 911 is boss. That is how I feel about my Vortex. A Tomassini is a fine bike and very classic, but you won't see it ridden in the Tour.
The bashing is stupid and I love to be a prick to those who post such nonsense and then all the moral police chime in bitching at me. I am glad you noticed the "trend" on this board. Ride one and make up your mind. For someone to step off of a Vortex or Ultimate or a Tuscany and say that it isn't a nice bike should be suspect. That is like eating at Peter Luger's steak house in Brooklyn which is known as one of the top 3 in the world and having some jerko$$ say he liked Beefsteak Charlies better. This guy would need to be given a beating.
|For once I agree with you||PODIUMBOUNDdotCA|
Aug 15, 2002 9:42 PM
|Lazyrider... for once I actually agree with you. People dislike many bikes that are mass produced or not. Some just for the sake of disagreeing with people. For example I have 3 Cannondales. Some people hate them and they have had a bad rep in the past. But are they bad bikes? Not at all. Not to say they don't have their weaknesses but all in all there is nothing to really hate about them. Same with Litespeed but just in a more prestigious ti frameset.
But for the record the fact you love to be a prick about things like people disliking LS's I disagree with and a lot of people love to dislike you for it.
|For once I agree with you||roadcyclist|
Aug 16, 2002 1:41 AM
|I also agree with the above post (except the part about being a prick). I ride a 2001 Classic w/10 spd Chorus and I LOVE it (ridden various bikes and framesets in over 20 years of cycling). It's comfortable and the performance is second to none. Most LS bashers have never ridden one. Having said all that - I don't know if I would buy another one as LS is now going to sell complete bikes instead of framesets, and I liked the idea of choosing each component myself (without having to swap-out parts and/or pay the difference between this seat and that).|
|I have a question||Marcocyclo|
Aug 16, 2002 5:11 AM
|Not picking on you, but I am new to road biking and own cdales too. Are there really a whole lot of difference between 2 similarly constructed bikes? What would be the actual differences if geo, fit, weight, components, etc were equal say between a LS and a Seven?
I agree with you and the initial post.
|Right on the money, brother||dzrider|
Aug 16, 2002 6:01 AM
|Curiously, I relate the attitude on Litespeeds, Airbornes, etc to a posting on tattoos. The assumption was made that people get tattoos for the impact that they have on other people. I have three and got them because I have always found them fascinating and knew from childhood that I wanted them. The responses from people when they see them is amusing to me, but a small part of why I got them.
I suspect, and I've been full of $hit before, that many people also buy bikes for the impact their ride has on other people. If a Litespeed gets fewer oohs and aahs than a Colnago, these folks want the Colnago. It's difficult to admit that motivation to others, so a rationale has to be constructed to support buying the Colnago. One of the best ways to avoid having a weak argument tested is to assert it strongly enough that people don't want to bother, so watch out!
|re: Does anyone who rides a Litespeed hate it?||husker|
Aug 16, 2002 2:50 AM
|I have the Ultimate. I love it! Crossing over from a cro-moly frame, its like cheating.|
|BTW I ride one and I don't hate it...||Fez|
Aug 16, 2002 3:52 AM
|I just ride it cuz its paid for, it fits, and its comfortable.
And although I really don't care what others think, my crappy LBS always makes comments on how inferior LS is. They have their noses so far up Serotta and Seven's arses its sad. Sure they are nice bikes, but maybe I don't want to spend an extra $1,000 for one of their bikes. That's why I buy most of my stuff online now and only go to that LBS for service.
And the compliments I get are mainly from newbies who try to race up to me and see if they can beat an old guy on a litespeed. I had some stranger ask me 3 times how much my bike had cost. I told him I didn't know. Sheesh. I wish I was faster so I would encounter fewer of these types.
|I owned a Classic and sold it after a year||Ray Sachs|
Aug 16, 2002 4:35 AM
|I didn't hate it though - I just didn't particularly like the geometry. The quality of the frame was very good, alignment was dead on, nothing wrong with it at all (except the incredibly LOUD decals). I sold it and bought a Merckx ti (MADE by Litepseed, but to Merckx spec's) and liked the ride of the Merckx much more.
Nothing wrong with LS if it fits.
|I owned a Classic and sold it after a year||Fez|
Aug 16, 2002 4:45 AM
|What didn't you like about the fit? Top tube length? Seat tube angle?
My only beef with Litespeed is I wish they would make even AND odd sizes, especially between 51-59, where it seems a lot of the cycling population lies.
|I just like super stable bikes||Ray Sachs|
Aug 16, 2002 6:41 AM
|I know the Classic is relatively stable, but short stays and long front-centers just feel twitchy to me. I like a very rearward saddle position, so my center of gravity is back pretty far to begin with - I much prefer a bike that transfers some of that weight to the front wheel. The Merckx does that better than any other race bike I've ridden. My favorite bikes are sport touring bikes with about 42-43 cm stays and shorter front-centers.
I'd have probably been very happy with the LS Appalachian in retrospect, but I wanted to check out a really light race bike. I'd probably like a lot of modern bikes a lot LESS than I liked the Classic, so again, no beef with Litespeed - just personal preference.
|I have to agree with Lazywriter.||Juanmoretime|
Aug 16, 2002 4:55 AM
|I own and love my Litespeed. Why, the biggest part is the fit and ride. The damping properties of my bike are great, plus it's very still, no chainring rub when really pushing it. I'm a gear masher and have made frames flex and gotten chainring rub when pushing big gears. 80 RPM is high for me. Plus,it is very easy on the eyes, Litespeed does some of the best titanium welding I've seen. No, this isn't my first ti bike and the others were American made, not imports. Finally, any bike is totally worthless if it doesn't fit you properly and my Litespped does.|
|Funny you ask||pmf1|
Aug 16, 2002 5:41 AM
|I always looked down my nose at Litespeeds. I see so many of them around here. I always figured if you're gonna get a ti bike, why not get something exotic like a Seven or Serotta?
So I get engaged and have to spend $5000 on a stupid ring. Well dammit, I'm buying a new bike. I was ready to buy a Seven when I saw an ad in Velonews from a shop (Labicicletta) selling close-out Litespeed Ultimate frames with a fork (choice of Look HSC2 or Reynolds Ouza Pro) for $1600. The chinzy economist in me could not pass it up.
So I get the bike built up and its really nice. The first time I go out on it, I see 4 other Litespeeds. But you know, when I'm riding it, it just feels like a really nice bike. So no, I don't hate it.
|Why would anyone ride anything they hate? nm||DougSloan|
Aug 16, 2002 7:23 AM
|Buyers' remorse, ill informed purchase, bad experience w/||Fez|
Aug 16, 2002 7:35 AM
|quality (Litespeed weld was of terrible quality and busted during a hard race).
But most LS buyers seem content with their purchase. So most of the flaming seems to come from non-Litespeed riders.
|Quality isn't always there...||TJeanloz|
Aug 16, 2002 7:47 AM
|All bike manufacturers suffer from some quality issues- a bad bike or two will always slip through. The measure of satisfaction is how well the manufacturer deals with the problem. We had some Litespeeds come through the shop that were of less than perfect quality. The end customer never knew about any of them, because we had Litespeed make it right before the bikes got to the customers.|
Aug 16, 2002 7:39 AM
|Have you ever heard anyone who spent this kind of money on a bike admit that they "Hate" it?
The better question might be: "Have you ever gotten rid of a high end bike, and if so why?"
Aug 16, 2002 10:32 AM
|I'm not sure this count's as a high-end bike, but I did sell a perfectly good Trek 5200 (mix of Dura Ace and Ultegra parts--mostly DA, actually). I didn't have any complaints really. I thought it was a good road bike. But I wanted a slightly different fit and a slightly different feel. When I got a CT1 built up, I decided that was much more what I was looking for. Sold the Trek without regrets.|| |