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Integrated headsets, Like it? Yes or No.(13 posts)

Integrated headsets, Like it? Yes or No.Juanmoretime
Aug 14, 2002 7:13 AM
Call me retro but I just don't like the new integrated headsets. It's not looks alone. I rather have the cups of my pressed in headset wear out and the bearings, or the cups to ovalize verses possibly frame. What do you have to say?
Never had one, but I agree...cory
Aug 14, 2002 7:36 AM
I have old-fashioned 1-inch cup and cone headsets that have gone 15 years without any maintenance and still work fine. Imagine how long they'd last if I repacked them...
I agree--this is an answer to an unasked question.
Yes and no..DINOSAUR
Aug 14, 2002 7:59 AM
Threadless headsets need spacers in order to raise them, but it's easy to swap out a threadless stem because the majority of them are front loading. I can't remember old threaded stems costing well over $100.00 for some brands either. I also had a difficult time locating some bearings for my cheap Cane Creek stem on my winter bike and had to order directly from the manufacturer.....
Two very different products.Spoke Wrench
Aug 14, 2002 8:04 AM
There are actually two very different products that people call integrated headsets.

The first really are integrated. If and when that headset dies, you have to get exactly matching parts, probably from the bicycle frame manufacturer (assuming they will still have them by that time).

The second are semi-integrated or really "hidden headsets." This is really just a conventional headset that is designed to fit within the bike's head tube.

I'm not crazy at all about the first, but have no problems with the second.
Which one does Cannondale use?LC
Aug 14, 2002 9:14 AM
Are they semi-integrated or truely integrated?
Which one does Cannondale use?clintb
Aug 14, 2002 9:47 AM
I believe Cannondale uses the Campy hidenset. If memory serves, that's considered an internal type.

The integrated types have given a bad rap to the internals since they didn't use pressed in cups. No cups = problems with your frame when something goes wrong.

Go to Chris King's site to learn the differences between conventional, integrated and internal. Very informative.
Which one does Cannondale use?yeah right
Aug 14, 2002 9:52 AM
I think cyclingnews.com just had a good article about this as well, look it up under the tech section.
Here is Cannondale's diagram of the Campy headsetPdxMark
Aug 14, 2002 1:01 PM
Wouldn't this be "integrated?"
Call me retro, tooStraightblock
Aug 14, 2002 8:46 AM
I'm currently waiting for a warranty frame from Bianchi, and the new models have integrated headsets and sloping top tubes, both topics of ongoing debate here.

I'm not one to race out and buy every bit of new technology. I prefer to wait until things have been out for a while and real improvements & changes are sorted out from "improvements" that are just marketing hype.
I like the look but...PODIUMBOUNDdotCA
Aug 14, 2002 9:59 AM
The headset I have on my Cannondale has been really loud at times when hitting small potholes. Anyone know why this would be?

Nick
PodiumBound.ca
noise during potholes?weiwentg
Aug 15, 2002 12:50 AM
does it make this loud popping sound that conjures images of shattered carbon (or aluminum)? my Giant does that sometimes, as does my friend's; I have a CF steerer and his is alloy.
I have no idea why it is. there was a thread about it a while ago, and no one had any idea why, either (although most of the respondents had CF steerers). so far, no one has died.
if my steerer shatters, let's hope it does so after they take the steel plates out of my collarbone. it would truly suck otherwise.
noise during potholes?grandemamou
Aug 15, 2002 5:09 AM
My Bianchi does it also. Sounds like a loud thump. 2 yrs and no problems. It does sound kind of scary when you hit something at 25+.
re: Integrated headsets, Like it? Yes or No.grandemamou
Aug 14, 2002 2:37 PM
I have the style where the races are pressed into the head tube. No problems with mine. They are easy to remove and adjust. All you need is an allen wrench and a few minutes. What can I say it's a headset and it works.

I am leary of integrated designs where the bearings sit directly in the head tube of the frame. If you have problems do you replace the frame? Re-machine the head tube?

FWIW I prefer the look of integrated design. It looks like the front end is one continuous piece instead of lots of little pieces. But I guess it's a matter of taste.