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Buying my 2nd Bike, Going with Titanium!!, Need Help(15 posts)

Buying my 2nd Bike, Going with Titanium!!, Need HelpBike-Go-Far
Aug 11, 2002 1:46 PM
I'm going to buy me a 2nd Bike soon. I'm definately going with TI. I need help on deciding which frame to go with. Litespeed, Seven, Airborne etc. Please post info about the various Ti frames out there. I need pertinent info on ride comfort, geometry, stiffness, flex, warranties, customer service, etc..

Also please post what you think are the strengths and weaknesses of the Ti frames you list.

I'm looking to spend round 2k for the frame.
re: Buying my 2nd Bike, Going with Titanium!!, Need Helproadiebrodie
Aug 11, 2002 2:17 PM
I recently bought a Zermatt. The quality is great and the people there treat you right. I would say this bike is very stiff for a Ti bike but still absorbs the road vibration like titanium should. As far as warranty goes they will replace a defective frame. They are built here in the US another reason I chose them besides the fact I didn't want to ride what everybody else was riding. Their site is, very hard to find on a search engine.

Hope you like your decision.
re: Buying my 2nd Bike, Going with Titanium!!, Need HelpPsychler
Aug 11, 2002 2:56 PM
I would call Dean USA...speak to John...they know their product and will build to suit. Besides an extra ounce or two, I think my El Diente is sweet...They are familiar with all the other bikes, so you can bounce your ideas/ questions off of them. It depends what you want to spend. My MTB is Titus...they, too are small enough to get to speak to the owner, and have input into your frame build. I even called once and he was in the middle of welding my frame...I let him go back to work. Have fun, I find that part of the enjoyment of riding is the equiptment.
re: Buying my 2nd Bike, Going with Titanium!!, Need HelplittleMoots
Aug 11, 2002 3:36 PM
You might want to look into getting a VaMoots Moots. Their URL is

Moots gives you a lifetime warranty on the workmanship and materials in their frames. They come in 9 stock sizes and can customize if you like. (I bought a semicustom since I needed a 45 cm frame.) The VaMoots is $2195. You can save $200 by getting a Mootivator.

Compared to my 43 cm Trek 2000, the Moots rides a lot smoother. It also climbs better and descends better. I really think that Moots has one of the best designed TI bikes out there. They've been building TI frames a lot longer than many of the popular TI builders such as Seven and Independent Fabrications.

I can't tell you how Moots compares to other TI bikes since all of the TI bikes in my size are custom builds. Anyway, good luck.
re: Buying my 2nd Bike, Going with Titanium!!, Need HelpBiking PA
Aug 11, 2002 3:39 PM
I would suggest that you look into a titanium bike from Sampson Sports. It is a small company that to be honest with you I had never heard about before. I had seen a response on this message board for reasonably priced TI frames and did some research. I was very impressed with the company and the product so I bought the bike (Silverton) and had Campy Record components put on it. You can spec the bike out any way that you would like. I dealt directly with the owner (Eric Sampson) who I found to be very helpful with his recomendations regarding my purchase. Customer service is fantastic. The bike fits perfect and I could not be any happier. The frames are made in the USA and I think that you can get an excellent frame for under the $2000 that you want to spend. Check out their website ( see what you think.
...might as well...seyboro
Aug 11, 2002 3:56 PM
..go with a Litespeed. I own a palmares, we have a couple of vortexes, ultimates and classics in the club. The riders love them, (not that anyone would tell you otherwise after plunking down a few K on a frame). The lifetime warranty is great, the ride smooth and the workmanship superb. You might be able to find equals to a litespeed, but, IMO, certainly none better. Also, if you want a frame only, strike soon, as LS will start selling complete bikes only.
2002 57cm Litespeed Ultimate Ebay 4 hours LEFT!!!!!Axle1
Aug 11, 2002 5:34 PM
this is a brand new 2002 ultimate 57cm with full Litespeed warranty
This has only one bid at $1800 and is going in 5 hours. Your last chance
to purchase the frame of a lifetime. I had to get a 59cm frame and I can
honestly say it is the lightest, fastest, most comfortable, best tracking/climbing
frame I have ever ridden. Just fantastic!!! Dont miss out on this one. Thanks
You are shameless...jtolleson
Aug 11, 2002 6:36 PM
haven't you been spanked enough for listing this bike twice on the Hot Deals board?
I'm afraid you have the wrong guy, detective...seyboro
Aug 12, 2002 6:04 AM
...I'm not selling anything. And yes, according to LS, dealer pressure about being unable to compete w/ internet/catalog outfits when offering Litespeeds (notably Colorado Cyclist discounting their groups and finishng kits to rock bottom), has led to their decision to only sell complete bikes next year.
You are right...jtolleson
Aug 12, 2002 6:32 AM
my bad. I don't know what I thought I read... but clearly not thoroughly enough. There's a guy been pushing hard his LS frame all over RBR... don't know what I thought you were him.

re: Buying my 2nd Bike, Going with Titanium!!, Need Helpjtolleson
Aug 11, 2002 4:15 PM
I think that Seven doesn't offer anything in your price range. The good news is that the small builders (Dean and Sampson, for starters) do a wonderful job at that price point, and even larger manufacturers (notably Litespeed) often have fabulous close-out deals starting pretty soon.

You can also consider the Litespeed-built Macalu (sold by Excel Sports out of Boulder).
Eddy Merckx & GVH Bikes.unchained
Aug 11, 2002 4:47 PM
Built by Litespeed to Eddy's specs. Worth considering.

For the best price see
Carl Strongsn69
Aug 11, 2002 5:17 PM
At the $2K price point, you can get butted Reynolds or Ancotech tubes by Carl Strong, who, incidentally, used to make Ibis' ti frames. His bikes are terrific, and at the very least, he's worth contacting.

Also, as some might suggest, the Dean El Diente and ED XLT can be had for signigicantly less.

At the $2.15 price point, you can get a Moots Vamoots.

Seven, Serotta and Spectrum make incredible bikes, but you need't limit yourself.
A lot of choices out there...RCole
Aug 11, 2002 8:03 PM
Congrats! Getting a new frame or bike is always exciting. I just went through the process of replacing my frame so I know what you're going through. I had a Litespeed Vortex (2001). It was my first ti frame so I had no point of reference. But compared to aluminum, it was almost as stiff, just as light, and indestructable. Lightspeed was great to deal with and when you spending that much money on a frame you should get a lifetime warranty. You should also beable to get one for about 2K may a bit more (saw one for $2100 at Supergo about a month ago)

I did, however, replace the Vortex with a Merlin XLCompact frame last month. I've always liked compact geometry (personal taste) and have wanted a Merlin for about 10 years (got a great deal on the Vortex for the prior purchase). So I took the plunge. The Merlin is not as stiff, but stiff enough for me (170 lbs), very comfortable, a bit better turning, and great looking (see picture). is selling this frame for $2188.

Net net - look for a lifetime warranty - such as Moots, Merlin, Litespeed, Serotta, Seven, Ind. Fab. but ask yourself which one of these companies will most likely be around in 10 years. Also, there are deals out there to be found so don't compromise.
If you are willing to increase your limit and 53cm fits you.bnlkid
Aug 12, 2002 5:41 AM
There is a complete Serotta Legend Ti on Ebay.

At $3500 it is a steal. The frame alone goes for $3000 new.