|Help me choose a bike C'dale vs Look||GrassyAss|
Aug 10, 2002 11:01 PM
|I'm mainly a mtber, but am considering a roadie for my sunday morning rides with the boys.
My choice have been narrowed to either a C'Dale Team or R5000si vs a LOOK w/ Campy Record 10 or DuraAce
The LOOK option will be a custom build job ie component selection, frame fork then build it up myself.
Does anyone have any experiences or advice on which I should be looking at?
|choose Look for looks nm||cyclopathic|
Aug 11, 2002 3:30 AM
|re: Help me choose a bike C'dale vs Look||JohnG|
Aug 11, 2002 5:55 AM
|I've owned a C5 Dale and a KG281. Both are good frames with a bit of personality differences. The Dale is well it's a Dale..... near zero appeal in terms of flash or style. It is a very good crit/rr frame. I wouldn't want to do a century on one though.
Both frames are similar in ride quality although the Dale will probably be a tiny bit rougher depending on your weight and frame size. FWIW, my 281 is surprisingly rough and the 381i is even stiffer.
I'd think you would get a lot more pleasure out of a custom build as compared with a factory built. Note: You could get the Dale frame and build it up so don't overlook that option. Plenty of shops (Helen's cycles, etc.) sell the Dale frames.
|re: Help me choose a bike C'dale vs Look||filtersweep|
Aug 11, 2002 6:09 AM
|Which Look are you "looking" at?|
|re: Help me choose a bike C'dale vs Look||GrassyAss|
Aug 11, 2002 3:13 PM
|The KG381i with a HSC4 fork. I'm really after the ultimate light weight bike, but without making perfomance compromises|
|I just got a 381i . . .||DCW|
Aug 11, 2002 4:33 PM
|built up with Record. I've only put 200 miles on (since Thursday), with 70 being my longest ride so far, so my ride impressions are still forming. Mine is a 54 with an SLR saddle. It's the most comfortable bike I have ever ridden. My recent comparison points are my son's Colnago Dream Plus (Airplane), an older Habanero Ti, and my Guerciotti lugged Neuron. It has the best points of all three: liveliness of the lugged steel, bottom bracket stiffness of the aluminum and smoothness of the ti.
It's also a beautifully designed and executed frame (the Kelme, yellow and blue) and fork.
It's not the lightest frame around, though. The C40 with Star fork (1500 g) is about a pound lighter then the 381i (1850 g). I almost went for the C40, but after checking out a friend's 381i, decided I would rather go with something a little less common and a little more understated visually. I also relied on comments by pros and others who said it was the most comfortable ride around. Not all may agree, but I do. It seemed to serve the needs of sprinters (O'Grady), climbers (Sevilla) and roulers (Voight) well, so I think it will probably serve the needs of a recreational cyclist like me as well.
|381i... full carbon wrap or bonded?||GrassyAss|
Aug 11, 2002 11:09 PM
|Is the 381i full carbon wrap like the Trek OLCVs or are they carbon tubes bonded together with lugs?
The reason I ask is taht I'm a little hesitant to buy a carbon frame that is bonded as I know the bonded bits will eventually fatigue and work it's way free or break.
btw, have you had a chance to weigh it fully built? How much does it weigh?
|Alu lugs and carbon tubes||DCW|
Aug 12, 2002 4:18 AM
|Since they are different materials, I assume they are "bonded." My buddy who owns the LBS that sells Treks says that Treks use carbon lugs that are also "bonded" to the tubes. In other words, Treks are not a true monocoque frame. Look's 386 frame is monocoque, I believe.
Maybe my head's in the sand (or elswhere), but I am not worrying about frame failure. If a lug and tube were beginning to debond, I think it would become obvious because the paint job is so perfect. Any looseness in a joint would be manifest by a crack in the paint.
I got my 381i frm World Cycling Productions (which built it perfectly and shipped in three days). WCP's manager, Brad, tells me that beginning with the 2003 models Look is going to a lifetime warranty. It is currently three years. I tend to buy a new bike about every three years, so if the Look fails out of warranty, I'll be disappointed but not likely heartbroken. Of course, a catastrophic frame failure could leave something else broken. I'll hope for the best.
The main consideration for me in choosing the Look was ride quality. I had tried the Trek OCLV 120 and 110 over the past few years and found them to have a stiff but lifeless feel. As a long-time steel rider, I prefer a livelier sensation on the bike. Obviously, given Trek popularity, many like the ride.
Look achieves its ride qualities of the 381i by shaping each tube differently and tweaking the thicknesses of the tubes for each frame size. It also has a panel of pros ride each size fame during the design process to help determine which configurations result in the best combination of ride qualities. The 361 has round tubes, so the ride is apparently a little different, but the frame cost is a lot less.
|thanks heaps for your input..||GrassyAss|
Aug 12, 2002 4:24 AM
|I really appreciate the time you've spent shedding some light on the topic for me.
I will continue to do more research and let you know how things go.
|re: Help me choose a bike C'dale vs Look||filtersweep|
Aug 11, 2002 5:09 PM
|I'm a nose hair from buying a 281 tomorrow... they are drastically reduced (basically IS a 381 without the integrated headset).|
|World Cycling Productions and Total Cycling sales||DCW|
Aug 12, 2002 4:21 AM
|price the 381i at $1699 and $1600 respectively, in case that makes a difference to you.