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Pulled The Trigger On A New Frameset - Dean El Diente CTI(9 posts)

Pulled The Trigger On A New Frameset - Dean El Diente CTIGregory Taylor
Aug 9, 2002 5:51 AM
WARNING: SMUG SELF-CONTRATULATORY POSTING BELOW

Well, I did it. I've ordered a new frameset to replace the late, lamented Dean Culebra CTI that got munched by a car in June. Once again, I'm sending my business to the dudes at Dean bikes. This time, I've ordered an El Diente CTI - straight butted ti with carbon fiber rear seatstays. Advertised frame weight (54 cm, which is what I ride) is 2.9 lbs. I'll match that up with an Uzo Pro fork, Campy Chorus/Record parts mix, and I'm looking at a set of Campy Eurus wheels (anyone ride these?). The only real tweaks over the stock package will be canary yellow powdercoating (with polished ti chainstays) and black lettering/decals. They quoted a 6 week delivery time.
re: Pulled The Trigger On A New Frameset - Dean El Diente CTIsn69
Aug 9, 2002 6:08 AM
Whoa! Very nice indeed! I'm excited for you, and I look forward to getting your first ride report in September. Great comp. selection. What type of cockpit did you settle on, and, if I might ask, what was the total price?

The paint sounds great too.

Scott
re: Pulled The Trigger On A New Frameset - Dean El Diente CTIJuanmoretime
Aug 9, 2002 6:20 AM
Just put together an El Diente, total blows away my Litespeed. I've had 3 Dean mountain bikes, their quality is Superior and the quality of the ride is second to none. Plus at the prices they charge, it's a steal for a hand built bike. Another cool feature of Dean, if you own a unfinished titanium Dean, they will completely rebrush, redecal and realign the frame for $75 plus shipping. Please post pictures after you build it up. I would like to see the bike and the paint.
For now....Gregory Taylor
Aug 9, 2002 6:22 AM
I think that I'll be using a plain ol' Flite saddle, Campy Record seatpost, ITM Millenium stem, ITM 260 Pro handlebar, and Speedplay X-2 pedals.

There is a "Gallery" section on the Dean website that has an El Diente done up in the yellow powdercoat. Mine will look something like that. The upcharge for the powdercoat/polished chainstay was $100. Compare that to what Colorado Cyclist charges for powdercoating the Lightspeeds that they sell...

As for the price, let's just say that Dean gave me a very good discount off of the price that is listed on their website as a repeat customer. They have a crash replacement policy -- I send them the old frame to get the discount.

So you live in New Orleans? Wow...one of my favorite cities. I'd be 800 lbs. if I lived there. Do you ever eat at Gabrielle's on Esplanade?
At the risk of offending NOLAitessn69
Aug 9, 2002 6:40 AM
This town is a dump. Lived here for 1.5 years. The people are delightful--truly--but the city is a stie. 200 years of disenfrachisement from mainstream America have created a unique environment with neat flavors and undertones, but also with rabidly out-of-date civic infrastructure. As for the food, it's terrific, but my wife and I rarely indulge in order to maintain our fitness. Riding is really difficult here.

I've been in contact with Dean lately. I've been thinking about having them build my next tri bike. It's good to hear about the return customer discount. That might bode well. I have a good idea of the geometry I want, but I'll discuss the issue with them early next year when I get serious (just prior to moving back to SoCal). I saw the red Culebra on their photo gallery set up in tri-config. I wonder if it's standard geometry or custom.

I can't wait to see yours.
Gregory, why are you not buying the Culebra CTI again?rtyszko
Aug 9, 2002 7:08 AM
Gregory, I have been thinking about buying a bike from them for about 2 years now. I was thinking about the Culebra. Why did you chose the Culebra CTI instead of the regular Culebra? And why are you now going with Ti?

Bob Tyszko
A couple of reasons....Gregory Taylor
Aug 9, 2002 8:20 AM
The thought process went like this:

Culebra v. Culebra CTI: I'm a heavy rider (195 - 6')that pushes big gears, and I wanted something sharp and stiff through the bottom bracket, like my old CAAD3 Cannondale. After talking with the Dean dudes, it sounded like the carbon stays would cut a small amount of weight and, more important to me, help add some stiffness without winding up too harsh. The frame was built up with Zona steel and Dean threw in a couple of tweaks to get what I wanted -- 1/18 head tube, heavier gauge tubing in a few places (downtube, chain stays). Frame weight with this set up was about 3.3 - 3.4 lbs. The bike wound up nice and stiff, with (as far as I could tell in 5 miles -- the bike was trashed on its maiden run by a car) a very racey feel. Not harsh, just very firm and solid feeling.

Why Ti now if I liked the Culebra CTI?

First, the practical stuff. Having seen the NICE job that they did on my first Dean, I was willing to open up the purse strings a little more. The Cuelbra is very well made, and I'm told that their ti stuff is even nicer. The crash replacement discount also helped tremendously here.

When I was looking to buy the first time around, I had an upper limit that I was willing to spend and the Cuelbra hit my needs and my price point nicely. I was interested in Ti from the beginning, but I wasn't in high dollar Ti territory from any builder. I figured that a high quality steel bike from a shop willing to work with me to get it right was the best alternative.

The El Diente is definately an upgrade over the Cuebra. The Ti frame should wind up a half pound lighter (2.9 lbs advertised vs. 3.3 for the steel/carbon bike in Zona) with (according to the Dean dudes) the same level of lateral stiffness with an even sweeter ride. What I'm shooting for is smooth with an ability to take a lot of torque, and the ti/Carbon combo sounds like it might do an even better job than what I had before. I have a buddy (whose opinion that I respect) that switched from a lugged steel Serotta (an Atlanta) over to Lightspeed Tuscany who just raves about it -- smooth without being whippy or noodly. And we all know what crap Lighspeeds are, right? (JUST KIDDING THERE!!!)

Finally, Dean is now building the Cuebra CTI's in Ultra Foco steel. Frankly, I'm too heavy for that. I imagine that I could get them to build one in Zona...
Gregory, why are you not buying the Culebra CTI again?rtyszko
Aug 9, 2002 8:29 AM
Gregory, I have been thinking about buying a bike from them for about 2 years now. I was thinking about the Culebra. Why did you chose the Culebra CTI instead of the regular Culebra? And why are you now going with Ti?

Bob Tyszko
Dean Ticogmaster
Aug 10, 2002 7:07 AM
Cannot go wrong with Dean ti bikes. Don't forget that you an request geometry changes for same price such as extended head tube, etc.. Welds are outstanding. Just expect a 6-8 week wait though.