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johann who?(20 posts)

johann who?pukka
Aug 7, 2002 9:09 AM
With his 11th World Cup classic win in Hamburg, Belgium's Johann Museeuw has proved once again he is the best one-day specialist in the peloton but does anybody care?
hardly a classicmr_spin
Aug 7, 2002 9:18 AM
It's a world cup race, not a classic. Paris-Roubaix is a classic.
Museeuw's a championvelocity
Aug 7, 2002 9:25 AM
He's an amazing rider. Strong, strategic, smart. He's just not a GT rider. It's great that he's finishing his career with more victories to add to his already impressive palmares.
Aug 7, 2002 9:46 AM
Not to mention his amazing comeback from shattering his knee in Paris Roubaix.
in america?yeah right
Aug 7, 2002 10:03 AM
(i think hamburg started in '96 or something, it's not one of the classics as others have said, but still a fine race)

in the US? no, but do you think he cares? he's famous in europe, where people follow the sport for more than three weeks in july. he get's his fair due in right circles. he is a truly amazing and inspirational rider in my opinion, and being a bigger guy myself, I have a lot of respect for the hard men of cycling.
i just think its funnypukka
Aug 7, 2002 10:22 AM
that the board has been swamped with post re the race in new york(which was a showcase event really)yet nothing about his fantastic achievements or for that matter any other races (with the exception of one)
i just think its funnyyeah right
Aug 7, 2002 10:34 AM
I agree, but i think that has a lot to do with the fact that it's hamburg, people care a lot more about liege or roubaix. i was reading and article by Udo Bolts in cycle sport and he was talking about how hamburg is really a joke, and only exists for the world cup. no history has an effect.
It's demographics,TJeanloz
Aug 7, 2002 10:40 AM
The NYC race was attended by a lot of frequent posters, while I presume the HEW Cycleclassics was not. NYC was also live on OLN. I don't think it has so much to do with respecting the riders as it does the number of posters who saw the event and results.

There typically aren't a lot of posts regarding relatively small European races, even if we do all respect the riders in them.
11 wins is 11 winspukka
Aug 7, 2002 11:24 AM
Unfortunately, they're not...TJeanloz
Aug 7, 2002 11:39 AM
Not all wins are created equal. For all we know, some guy has won every race on the African continent this year. But Americans don't get to see those races, and as a result, don't get to discuss them.

One high-profile win is worth far more than a hundred minor victories, just ask the winningest active rider, Roberto Gaggioli.
minor victories?pukka
Aug 7, 2002 11:45 AM
I'm not getting something...TJeanloz
Aug 7, 2002 12:02 PM
You're going to have to give more than a two word response if something needs clarification.

I would say that most American cycling fans, myself included, would rank Johann up there as one of the top 5 riders in the world. Nobody notices his win in the HEW Cycleclassics because we had a more pressing race to watch. It doesn't mean that we think less of him.

If you're wondering why the rest of the American public isn't jumping on the Johann bandwagon the way they did the Lance bandwagon, I can only point out that Johann lacks the two things that Americans respect Lance for:
1. Lance is American.
2. Lance has survived cancer.

The American sports fan doesn't really have any more respect for cycling than they ever did, but they do have respect Lance's triumphs.
Notice the dogbone shape of the NYC race?velocity
Aug 7, 2002 12:00 PM
I'm sure all of us cycling maniacs/fans want there to be a domestic world-class three-week road race, for there to be domestic World Cup level races. Looking at a Cycle Sport calendar, I see just one US race listed for 2002: The First Union USPRO Championship.

NYC race wasn't Paris-Roubaix or the Tour of Flanders or the TdF, but it's a lot better than zilch and it was held blocks from Ground Zero.
Anyone notice Hincapie was 4th?mr_spin
Aug 7, 2002 11:13 AM
George was there at the finish with Johan, which is pretty impressive a week after working his butt off in the Tour. The way George is climbing and sprinting right now, I'd put him among the favorites at San Sebastian and Zurich.

The superhero glasses have to go, or George has to wear a cape from now on.

and moves to 3rd overallpukka
Aug 7, 2002 11:24 AM
Aug 7, 2002 7:48 PM
uh, Museeuw is an absolute god in Belgium. The dude has his own *flag*, fercrissakes.

I'm sure you've seen this flying in the background on the OLN coverage...
...couple o' thingsseyboro
Aug 8, 2002 2:54 AM
I think the flag is actually the one of Flanders and this 'Lion of Flanders' stuff matches it accidentally.
Don't hate on the racing jackets. Easily the best way to pick Hincapie out of a crowd. BTW, mine are silver...
I'm from the Hamburg area back in Downtown Deutschland, but never got to see any ot the HEW race. Bummer!! I do agree, it doesn't have the character of the big'uns,...gets Museeuw the same number of points, though...
That's not Museuw's flag....Wannabe
Aug 8, 2002 6:21 AM
That is the flag of Flanders, the Dutch-speaking region of Belgium.

I'll take this one for LFR...TJeanloz
Aug 8, 2002 6:53 AM
LFR is well aware that it is the flag of Flanders. But waving that flag on the side of the road during a bike race is akin to waving the Texas lone star flag. While those waving the lone star are obviously supporting Armstrong, those waving the lion of Flanders are equally obviously supporting Musseauw.
nope, you are wronglonefrontranger
Aug 8, 2002 7:09 AM
This is indeed the Flandrian lion. The flag has been simplified into pure black and gold however.

THIS happens to be the authentic flag of Flanders:

Study your heraldry closer my man. Or live in Belgium (I did)