|Colnago vs. Felt||mlester|
Aug 6, 2002 5:25 AM
|I know that these bikes aren't even close to being in the same league. That being said I'll continue with my story.
I'm out riding solo last night, just doing a 13 mile loop around the neighborhood when I pass a cyclist going the opposite way on a Colnago. It is hard to tell but I am sure that he was going probably about the same speed as me (22-24mph). I thought nothing of it as I stuck my hand out in a friendly gesture while he did the same.
Now on the second half of my loop I am riding around back towards my apartment and I pass the same cyclist, same Colgnago, same speed. Now I don't know anything about Colnago except what I read here, as I ride a Felt F75 and love it. Anyway my point is. If I were to wear an old beat up pair of Converse sneakers or a brand new $150 pair of Michael Jordan's I still suck at basketball.
Why do people buy high-end bikes when they are low-level/mediocre cyclists? I am happy with my $800 Felt.
|re: Colnago vs. Felt||RadicalRonPruitt|
Aug 6, 2002 5:31 AM
|Because they can. What business is it of yours what other people buy. Be happy with your Felt, and ride on!|
|To what do we owe the pleasure, Ron? (nm)||mlester|
Aug 6, 2002 5:41 AM
|re: Colnago vs. Felt||Joshua|
Aug 6, 2002 6:05 AM
|How do you put cleats on those Michael Jordans??|
|Remove the "air" cushion...lol...(nm)||mlester|
Aug 6, 2002 6:07 AM
|because they are insane weight weenies?||weiwentg|
Aug 6, 2002 6:08 AM
|or equipment mad collegiate cyclists? or equipment mad rich kids, or yuppies, or whatever? define low level ... I think cat 4/5 is low level, and I have a pretty nice bike.|
|Why do you ride an 800 dollar Felt, when||djg|
Aug 6, 2002 6:14 AM
|you could go almost as fast on a well maintained, 100 dollar garage-sale special, and when there's nothing much hanging on whether you go 20 or 22 mph? Or 15 mph, for that matter. Because you like it? Because you can?
There are lots of ways to appreciate a nice bike, whether it's a Colnago or something else. If someone wants to indulge them, and they can afford to indulge them, what's the problem exactly? In fact, were it not for amateur enthusiasts, there likely would not be any high-end bikes (or at least, nothing like the range of things we see now).
Check out some of the coverage of the Tour de Fasso from early in the year--some pretty good African athletes were riding what we'd consider serious beaters.
|re: Colnago vs. Felt||Joshua|
Aug 6, 2002 6:16 AM
|How do you put cleats on those Michael Jordans??|
|re: Colnago vs. Felt||joekm|
Aug 6, 2002 6:19 AM
|First off, how do you know that he is mediocre? Riding to condition yourself does not mean go as fast as you can all the time. He may be trying to maintain his heart rate in the aerobic range in which case 22-24 mph isn't that bad. Regardless, there is no way to tell what kind of rider he is based upon passing him twice on a 13 mile loop. |
Secondly, why do you care what kind of bike he rides or what he spent on it?
Aug 6, 2002 6:26 AM
|Never ceases to amaze me what some folks want to conclude from passing a total stranger out on the road. Is the stranger warming up or cooling down? Spinning on a rest day? Recovering from injury or illness? Otherwise coming back into cycling after some forced time off the bike? Resting between intervals? Just having fun and leaving the computer/hrm turned off?|
|re: Colnago vs. Felt||zero1|
Aug 6, 2002 6:34 AM
|I ride a colnago mxl and i really do like it... i did not buy the bike on the pre-tense that i would go faster or be able to ride longer distances...i am 52 yrs old and i just wanted something that was comfortable for me and something that i thought would last a long time...it really does not matter what anyone rides as long as u enjoy what u r riding...ride safe......|
|re: Colnago vs. Felt||tarwheel|
Aug 6, 2002 6:35 AM
|The same reason why people spend $5,000 on Rolex watch when they could spend $35 on a Timex that keeps times just as well ... or $50,000 on a BMW when a $13,000 Honda Civic would suit them fine ... or $300,000 on a 4-BR house when they could get by in a $80,000 house ... you get the point. |
If you can afford it, what's the big deal in spending $2,000-3,000 on something you really like to do? Besides, not all Colnagos are expensive. You can buy a Colnago Classic or a used Master, Dream and other models for 1,500 or less. If you're happy with your Felt, that's great. But that's no reason why someone else shouldn't spend more money than that on a bicycle.
Another point is that it means absolutely nothing if you are riding the same speed as another cyclist or faster. That cyclist might be doing a recovery ride or just taking it easy. The only time speeds makes a difference is if you're in a race.
Aug 6, 2002 6:35 AM
|All I was trying to do is understand the fascination with expensive bikes. I was not passing judgement on any cyclist, the one I passed yesterday included. All I am saying is that I am happy with my bike and I know that wearing Michael Jordan shoes wont get me in the damn NBA.
Sorry for the confusion.
|Seek counseling about your inferiority complex...||kapalua|
Aug 6, 2002 6:52 AM
|These reverse-snobbery threads get really old||jtolleson|
Aug 6, 2002 7:10 AM
|Notice that stereotypes aside, you don't see riders of high-dollar bikes bashing riders of affordable bikes on this board, but we get threads like this about once a week.
Yes, on my Seven, I got passed during Triple Bypass by people with downtube shifters, by people on Nishikis, and even by a couple guys on mountain bikes.
Too bad. I log a lot of miles, and sometimes at decent speeds (I'm not a great climber, though). I want comfort, nice looks, and something to be proud of and enjoy.
Maybe you should spend less time worrying about whether other people are worthy of their bikes.
|but so do the snobbery threads||ET|
Aug 6, 2002 7:24 AM
|"Can't wait till my Colnago C-40 arrrives, and then I'll be the envy of the club!" Very original choice, I might add. :-)
Anyway, I thought the rules of the game are that Colnagos are acceptable fodder on the road for this sort of thing. Buyer beware! Reqardless, I think everyone's being a bit too hard on Mr. Felt. Not that I believe he was casually averaging 22-24 mph on his 13-mile loop either. Nothing personal; it's just that, like others, I almost never believe these mph figures.
Aug 6, 2002 7:56 AM
|I see your hypothetical, and I don't recognize it as a thread I've seen on this board ... more importantly, even your hypothetical doesn't criticize the ability or style of someone else.
Threads bashing someone wearing Postie gear but not riding over 15 mph, or buying Legend ti to ride the bike path seem to be much more common. And it smacks of reverse snobbery (or insecurity).
Though I share your inherent skepticism regarding the speed estimates people give. : )
|Can I bash Postie kit-wearing, redlight-running jerks? (nm)||Becky|
Aug 6, 2002 8:39 AM
|Whats wrong with a postie kit?||Joshua|
Aug 6, 2002 9:10 AM
|I dont personally have one, but i do have last years USPS jersey. Why should some one be "bashed" on what they elect to buy with their hard earned cash. I believe every one who rides a bike does it for the same fundamental reason. Because its fun!!! If some-one can a ride a 6000 dollar bike with their "postie kit" and enjoy the hell out of it, who am I to try and psychoanalyze why they want to spend that much money. Who gives a rats azz.|
|You seem to have missed my point||mlester|
Aug 6, 2002 9:08 AM
|Let's get some things straight here. My original post was not "bashing" or "reverse snobbery". I did not "pass" this other rider, we were travelling in opposited directions. As I said, I am happy with my bike, not insecure about what I ride. My question was...what is the big deal about these big name bikes...they don't make you faster?
jtolleson, I tend to sit back and read a lot on this board rather than post. I did have a lot of respect for you because you are one of the few people that tend to give others sound advice when they are in need of it. This reply to my post seems quick written and without thought. You seem to have misinterpreted my intent for posting.
|What was your intent?? (nm)||Joshua|
Aug 6, 2002 9:12 AM
|Josh, don't instigate||mlester|
Aug 6, 2002 9:20 AM
|you know my point, we talked about this yesterday...lol. anyway, if you missed it everytime i have written it...what is the point of buying expensive bikes if they don't make you faster/stronger? not bashing anyone, let's get that straight.
|The point is !!||Joshua|
Aug 6, 2002 9:35 AM
|You could have bought a bike that was cheaper than 800 bucks but you did'nt. You could, train, tri or ride centuries on a bike that is cheaper, has down tube shifters or even on a fixie if you WANTED to. But you elected to buy an 800 dollar bike because that made you happy. A Colnago made that guy happy. Bottom line buy what you like. Remember mlester we ride to have fun, stay in shape, get away from the screaming kids for an hour or two. Sorry i just think your "What is the point of buying an expensive bike if they dont make you faster/stronger" point is weak.
It doesnt matter if you drive a Neon or a Ferrari if your ugly neither car will get you chicks.
|You seem to have missed my point||tarwheel|
Aug 6, 2002 9:54 AM
|I don't think we missed your point, but I'll take your word for it that you're not poking fun at those who ride expensive bikes. I'll try to answer your question again. People buy expensive bikes for lots of reasons. Sometimes a more expensive bike WILL make you go faster, particularly if it's 5 pounds lighter or a better geometry or stiffer than your old bike. Sometimes cyclists buy a more expensive bike because they've ridden for a while and just want something newer and nicer. Some expensive bikes are just works of art and are worth the extra expense for that reason alone -- which is much of the appeal of Colnagos, although beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Some cyclists just have more money to spend than others, so they want the best they can buy. Others buy the best they can possibly afford because cycling is their passion. Also, there is more to cycling than just going fast. A bought a new bike last year not because it would be faster than old bike, but because it was more comfortable, fit me better, and looked a lot nicer than my old one.|
|I am not a mind reader...||jtolleson|
Aug 6, 2002 10:09 AM
|so I don't know your intent for posting. I know only the content of your post, and I responded to that.
Sounds like everyone has been heard on this now. Group hug.
|OK, fair enough:||djg|
Aug 6, 2002 11:32 AM
|Here's what you can enjoy:
1) A custom fit, which is especially valuable for certain folks with certain problems/differences.
2) Nice design or workmanship or decoration (or all three).
3) A cool history or association.
4) A particular feel (road feel, responsiveness, etc.)
5) That little jump you get with a responsive frame when you crank or jump on the pedals.
6) Superior handling from a good fork coupled with the geometry you like.
7) The fun of having a responsive ride that still feels smooth and comfortable after 50/70/110 miles in the saddle.
8) The fact that they do go just a little bit faster, if only just a little bit, and if only really noticeably under certain conditions.
9) etc., etc.
I'm sure folks can add lots more quality vectors or wrinkles or what have you. There are lots of ways to enjoy a (good/better/phenomenal or just plain distinctive) bike, even if you aren't incredibly fast. That doesn't mean you should feel that you need to spend more money than you did or that your cycling experience/performance would be radically different if you did. It's a cool sport in part because there are so many decent ways to approach and enjoy it.
|re: Colnago vs. Felt||DMoore|
Aug 6, 2002 9:30 AM
|What, exactly, is a "low level/mediocre" cyclist? A decade ago I bought a nice bike as a reward after I rode my first 1000 miles in rehab from a badly shattered ankle. I was still slow as can be, but felt like treating myself. Did I not deserve it?
Some people like to go fast for short distances - but maybe the guy you saw can comfortably cruise along and do a double century. Maybe he's not into speed, just endurance. (And if he was cruising at 22/24 mph, he's not slow.) Does that make him a low level rider? Not in my book.
Others simply enjoy bicycles as mechanical devices or works of art. I've heard this more than once: "I can't afford a super car - Porsche/Ferrari/whatever but I can afford a super bike." So why not?
Why do people buy expensive bikes? Because they want to and they can. Why do they want to? There are probably as many different answers to that question as there are people riding expensive bikes.
As for me - I like riding, and I like bikes. I'm not fast (cat 4 master) but I do about 7K miles per year and I really enjoy nice bikes.
So if the idea of someone having a really nice bike confuses you, what do you make of the people (and there are lots of them here) who have several nice bikes?
|Gee guess I should'nt buy||SnowBlind|
Aug 6, 2002 1:41 PM
|that big screen tv because I am a little nearsighted..after all I won't see as well as someone that has 20/20 vision.
Sorry boyo, dispite protesting to much, you have penis envy.
|Your post is condescending||MGS|
Aug 6, 2002 3:44 PM
|Just to put in my two cents, I am 48 years old and have ridden road bikes for over 31 years. This past year my wife encouraged me to get a Colnago C-40, reasoning that it was a great gift to myself, and money spent on exercise equipment beats money spent on a large TV. Also, I can afford it and riding it is a hoot.
So, if you see some other rider on an outrageously expensive bike, like a Prince LS for $9,8000, you can admire it, appreciate it, and wonder about the rider and what it must be like to ride a great bike. But this reverse snobbery about questioning why a person buys an expensive is absolute idiocy.
You are fooling no one by claiming that you merely wanted to know why people buy great bikes. You knew the reason. You were merely hoping others would join in on your one man bigotry crusade.
|re: Colnago vs. Felt||silroadbike|
Aug 6, 2002 4:41 PM
|A high-end bike is not just for professional racers or fast riders. I am a low-level cyclist(about 20 mph) and I just ordered a Colnago CT1 with campy record component. The reason is because I LOVE to bicycle long distance and I can afford it. It is a gift for myself for staying in good shape bicycling. If you are happy with your $800 Felt, that's fine. Why do people buy a mult-million dollar house or an expensive pair of shoes???|
|I predict you're gonna like that CT1. Enjoy. (nm)||djg|
Aug 7, 2002 6:43 AM
Aug 7, 2002 7:16 AM
|People who ride cheap bikes are not doing their fair share of supporting the cycling industry. They think they can participate without sacrificing like those of use who spend thousands on equipment. Sort of like freeloading a century. Face it, you owe it to the world of cycling to fork up some dough and get it circulating. Who do you think really pays for Lance Armstrong's bikes? We do!!! $800 on a bike is not enough to be acknowleged amongst the more dedicated riders. Wake up. Also, it's not about speed, it's about how you look and showing support.