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Role reversal...Italian vs. American Frames(15 posts)

Role reversal...Italian vs. American FramesMXL02
Aug 2, 2002 5:06 AM
I've been researching different custom shops for steel frames and I find it interesting that if one wants a classic lugged steel frame, its a Rivendell, Sachs, or Steelman. Pegoretti and Marinoni are tig welded! Am I just too old fashioned or what? I would assume that tig welding is just as strong, although not as pretty if you ask me.
Not to nitpick, but Marinoni is Canadian...TJeanloz
Aug 2, 2002 5:10 AM
Mondonico, Torelli, and Colnago all offer custom lugged frames, if you must have lugged italian.
sheesh, and I thought it was a pasta dish w/cheese :) nmAllisonHayes
Aug 2, 2002 5:23 AM
nm means no macaroni in case you got this far.

(OK, its a pretty cheesy comment, I know. I need a latte, someone get me a latte!)
Made in Montreal by Italian frame makers. Very nice bikes.theBreeze
Aug 2, 2002 6:46 AM
Can't remember the name of the guy who started the company, but he is Italian and he brought several of his best frame maker little buddies with him. FWIH, his wife still does a lot of the paint work. Saw a beautiful blue/green/silver fade job built up w/complete Dura Ace in a shop in Berkely last year. Drool!
His name is Marinoni! (nm)tmguy
Aug 2, 2002 8:08 AM
Doh!! of course. (nm)theBreeze
Aug 2, 2002 8:46 AM
re: Role reversal...Italian vs. American Framesjeff27
Aug 2, 2002 5:12 AM
All three that you mentioned are very nice. Have you also heard of
J.P. Weigle? He's also been building steel frames for a very long
time (same as Sachs? Both located in CT.) I've met Sachs and
Weigle, both nice guys, real artists. Have fun choosing!
not all true ...Spirito
Aug 2, 2002 5:21 AM
pegoretti have a new lugged steel model made in a classic style with lugs. saw a baby blue version yesterday in a LBS and was enthralled. it was built up for a customer who had ordered it by himself as they dont stock them. very, very nice. i was quite impressed at its lines and finish and its classic touches.

i would rather a Sachs but there is a fair jump in price. de Rosa have off the shelf lugged steel frames as well as do other (Tomassini, Gios etc)
Marinoni tig welded???theBreeze
Aug 2, 2002 6:59 AM
The one I test rode was lugged, as were all the other frames I saw.
They make both.MXL02
Aug 2, 2002 7:25 AM but they seem to feature the welded ones on this site.
Try Marinoni's Canadian siteklay
Aug 2, 2002 7:32 AM
My Colnago MXL is is my Bianchi Eros (nm)ColnagoFE
Aug 2, 2002 8:59 AM
So's my MXL...I was referring to custom bikes.MXL02
Aug 2, 2002 9:58 AM
I guess Pegoretti seems to be the worst(?)offender. Are there any other good Italian custom frame makers?
most current Italian frames are welded aluminumDanoK
Aug 2, 2002 10:29 AM
While its true you can still buy some classic Italian lugged steel bikes in the USA, you'd have a hard time finding them in Italy. The Italian road bike market and manufacturing have changed so much in the last 6 years that you'd hardly recognize them. Italian riders are pretty much completely sold on lightweight welded aluminum bikes and Italian manufacturers are making them to meet demand. Look through current catalogs of DeRosa, Pinarello, Bianchi, Basso, etc. You'll see very few, if any, lugged steel models. The few steel models that they do have are welded. Sure, you can always find a lugged Colnago model because Ernesto is very traditional and only changes when he has to. I think Italian makers are sending their old stock of lugged frames to the USA where they know people will still buy them.

BTW, I'm not knocking lugged steel bikes. I love them. I have 4 of them myself. But that's because I like classic bikes for myself. But I also realize that they are mostly a thing of the past. Even in Italy.
I see what you mean..MXL02
Aug 2, 2002 12:11 PM
I did a lot of research on the web today, maybe my desire for a lugged frame without a sloping top tube just shows my age. I have to admit, the lightweight steel (foco and eom) tig-welded frames from Pegoretti are pretty nice looking.