|Yes 20 grams Makes a difference to Lance||abicirider|
Aug 1, 2002 9:49 AM
|Just wanted to share this i was talking to my friends at Hed today seems as though the reason lance didn't use the Hed carbon Aero bars was a weight factor of 20 grams. The deda bars he used were about 20 grams lighter and I know Steve made at least 4 different generations of bars for Lance and the team. I'm not knocking Lance I guess everything is relative but 20 grams to me he could knock off more than 20 grams using lower cut socks then those high cut socks he wears.
Anyways just wanted to mention this.
|and here are the numbers||DougSloan|
Aug 1, 2002 9:56 AM
|Over a 10k 8% climb, assuming 75kg for Lance and his bike and average output of 450 watts (that's a lot), he would save .31 seconds or be ahead by 2.02 meters with a 20 gram savings.
Two meters could win or lose a stage, right?
|re: Yes 20 grams Makes a difference to Lance||ClydeTri|
Aug 1, 2002 9:56 AM
|20 grams here, so many grams by eliminating his left STI lever and going to shifter on downtube, 30 there, 100 grams on his wheels...all very little increments, but add them all up..the total is what is important.|
|re: 20 grams VS $$$||MasterTi|
Aug 1, 2002 10:33 AM
|As US Postal is sponsored by Deda, another scenario is that Lance and Deda let HED do the R & D, then Deda made a copy out of aluminum instead of carbon. Then Lance gets the bars he wanted, and the sponsor is happy (and maybe paying Lance big bucks not to use HED).|
|and yet he wears a chain around his neck||rufus|
Aug 1, 2002 11:17 AM
|that probably weighs more than any gram saving he has done with his components. does this make sense to you?
i swear, some people take this whole weight thing too far.
|how far is too far when youre interested in winning the TDF? nm||collinsc|
Aug 1, 2002 11:44 AM
|well, i wasn't referring to lance in particular.||rufus|
Aug 1, 2002 4:59 PM
|just so many people concerned about having to buy the absolute lightest frame, wheelset, components, etc, when for a large majority of them, they could probably stand to lose a few pounds from themselves first.
i know i'm in that group, so having the lightest everything just has no appeal to me whatsoever.
|and a wedding ring||pukka|
Aug 1, 2002 12:07 PM
|So, how much does a testicle weigh? (just kidding, OK?!) -nm||Tig|
Aug 1, 2002 1:14 PM
|So, how much does a testicle weigh? (just kidding, OK?!) -nm||gwendolynofthemountain|
Aug 1, 2002 2:58 PM
|How about the big chunky watch he wears?||DY|
Aug 1, 2002 2:55 PM
|Oakley or Nike has him wearing a big watch that weighs a lot I'm sure (at least by the standards we are talking about here). Why does he even wear a watch? He has a computer and he is in constant contact with his team car????|
|The watch pays for Luke's college fund. **||Niwot|
Aug 2, 2002 6:47 AM
|re: Yes 20 grams Makes a difference to Lance||Ian|
Aug 1, 2002 5:56 PM
|You bring up a great point. I always thought it was kind of stupid to remove the left / front STI lever to save a couple of grams. It would seem having to reach down and shift, therefore taking your hands off the bars, would take more time and be more troublesome than the few grams saved. And all these observations about the necklace and long socks and watches, it reinforces my feelings. Wouldn't it seem to be a larger advantage to keep the STI lever and lose those items?
|Doesn't use FD much in climbing stages||Walter|
Aug 2, 2002 5:47 AM
|I'm pretty sure that LA and the mechanics have the right gear spread on the back for the particular climb that day. Many racers try to avoid using the FD if possible since they'll never be as smooth as a rear changer. That's the real reason rear hubs now carry 9 or 10 cogs. If you don't mind running the FD alot you can get all the ratios you need with 6 but even with the best adjusting the FD has a greater risk of dumping your chain than a rear.
In addition one need not be a retro-grouch to see the benefits of friction shifting the front. Infinite trim adjustment.